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Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?

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  • Peter T. Daniels
    Well, I discovered why I d never been able to install Google Earth before: I needed to right-click and install as administrator. It then proceeded to install
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 20, 2013
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      Well, I discovered why I'd never been able to install Google Earth before: I needed to right-click and "install as administrator." It then proceeded to install itself without at any point asking where I would like it to put itself, indicating how much disk space it required, etc. I don't like Google taking over my computer even more than it already does.

      After clicking on your map, it eventually opened; but I wonder whether this service can do what I'm looking for. There doesn't seem to be any provision for changing the projection, or the angle of  view; somewhere there must be a control for telling it the edges of the map, but I couldn't find such a thing. And I wonder whether it can do a simple outline map rather than the familiar color image (which is especially unhelpful for print publication).

      So thank you for introducing me to the resource -- but I don't think it will be helpful.
      --
      Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
      Jersey City


      >________________________________
      > From: W. Sheppard Baird <minoanatlantis@...>
      >To: ANE-2 <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
      >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:43 PM
      >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      >
      >
      >
      > 
      >Dear Peter,
      >
      >You should consider using Google Earth for this. It's a free 3D GIS map
      >with many excellent features and is extremely easy to use. It's Windows,
      >Apple, and Linux compatible and fully supported by Google. I used this for
      >the highly regarded 3D mapping of "The Archaeological Sites of the Aegean
      >Minoans". The map data is in standard XML text format.
      >
      >http://www.minoanatlantis.com/Aegean_Minoan_Sites.php
      >
      >Google Earth Download Page
      >http://www.google.com/earth/index.html
      >
      >Best,
      >Sheppard Baird
      >
      >On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>wrote:
      >
      >> **
      >>
      >>
      >> Today I've made some progress in mapping software. There's a system out
      >> there called PAT (Portable ATlas) that looks as though it's very flexible,
      >> and, being Open Source, it's totally free.
      >>
      >> http://ian.macky.net/pat/index.html
      >>
      >> The problem is that it's a DOS program and can't run on modern computers,
      >> except with Linux, and the creator, Ian Macky, who so far is very friendly
      >> and helpful, refuses to support the corporate giants Microsoft or Apple.
      >>
      >> But he asked me to let him know how it's getting along with Windows. I
      >> found something called DOSbox, which seems to have been made to run ancient
      >> games, and I thought I followed all the (none too clear) instructions, and
      >> I've gotten to the stage where there are no more error messages, but
      >> absolutely nothing happens!
      >>
      >> --
      >> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
      >> Jersey City
      >>
      >> >________________________________
      >> > From: Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...>
      >> >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:31 PM
      >>
      >> >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >
      >> >Peter, this is a worthy project. Given your reputation, I would thing a
      >> >grant would be a cakewalk. Maybe talk to George Athas.
      >> >Jack Kilmon
      >> >
      >> >-----Original Message-----
      >> >From: Peter T. Daniels
      >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM
      >> >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      >> >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      >> >
      >> >I'm afraid I might have to ... but that would entail paying a
      >> cartographer
      >> >to create a publishable result!
      >> >
      >> >(I used to use a wonderful shareware program called VersaMap, but after
      >> >about 20 years it ceased being supported by its creator, and one
      >> publisher
      >> >told me its bitmap output was not suitable for publication. If anyone
      >> knows
      >> >of inexpensive _versatile_ mapping software, I'd love to hear about it.)
      >> >--
      >> >Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
      >> >Jersey City
      >> >
      >> >>________________________________
      >> >> From: Lisbeth Fried <lizfried@...>
      >> >>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:20 AM
      >> >>Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>
      >> >>Get to work!
      >> >>
      >> >>From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      >> >>Peter T. Daniels
      >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:07 AM
      >> >>To: ANE-2 list
      >> >>Subject: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      >> >>
      >> >>Is it really possible that no one has made a map of the locations of
      >> >>Aramaic
      >> >>inscriptions since Gibson TSSI 2 in 1975??
      >> >>
      >> >>Google Images doesn't find a single one! (It shows me Aramaic
      >> inscriptions,
      >> >>and it shows me maps -- of both the Aramaic languages and the Achaemenid
      >> >>empire -- but no maps of inscriptions.)
      >> >>--
      >> >>Peter T. Daniels grammatim@... <mailto:grammatim%40verizon.net>
      >> >>Jersey City

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    • W. Sheppard Baird
      Dear Peter, I find your evaluation of Google Earth more than just a bit hasty. I m surely not a lover of all things Google but as someone that actually has
      Message 2 of 10 , Jun 20, 2013
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        Dear Peter,

        I find your evaluation of Google Earth more than just a bit hasty. I'm
        surely not a lover of all things Google but as someone that actually has
        some expertise in this area you should know that the Google Earth
        application is "NOT" installed on your computer as you assume. It's a
        server application that lives in the cloud on a farm of hundreds of servers
        worldwide. The only software loaded onto your computer is that which allows
        you to view and manipulate this huge cloud application. Google Earth is
        intended to provide quality 3D GIS accessibility and ease of use to as many
        people as possible worldwide and is not all things to all people nor does
        it provide every feature one may desire. But you can easily rotate and tilt
        the map in any way you wish with the top right circular controls. Give it a
        try.

        No, it does not allow you to change the projection or automatically
        generate outline maps, etc. These are features that can be found in
        professional GIS packages like ESRI ArcGIS which is the de facto GIS
        standard at many universities around the world. But Google Earth map data
        can easily be imported into ESRI ArcGIS maps anytime you wish making GE map
        data available for its many highly sophisticated features. The learning
        curve for professional GIS apps is typically huge taking weeks or months
        and thus very expensive. This is probably why the map you and your
        colleagues desire has not been attempted. But Google Earth can prove useful
        in a matter of minutes for any novice with a bit of patience.

        The collection of valid confirmed sites and the acquisition of accurate
        site coordinates is an ongoing process. Even now after several years of
        development a few newly discovered "non-sensitive" sites are added to the
        Aegean Minoan 3D GIS project every year and coordinates are sometimes
        adjusted for greater accuracy. The creation of this map was only possible
        with the kind voluntary assistance of many dozens of scholars, colleagues,
        students, etc. almost none of whom had any GIS expertise at all. But they
        could carry an inexpensive GPS receiver and record coordinates. The fewer
        trained GIS experts involved with your project the less expensive and more
        practical it will become.

        The fervor of our project volunteers was fueled by knowing that our entire
        map would be freely available to everyone and not just a few specialists. I
        completely agree with Charles in that it would be a monumental step
        forward, especially for the specialists however counter-intuitive it may
        seem, by sipping the sweet nectar of open access for all.

        Best,

        W. Sheppard Baird
        California State Polytechnic University - Pomona
        Sarasota, Florida
        minoanatlantis@...



        On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>wrote:

        > Well, I discovered why I'd never been able to install Google Earth before:
        > I needed to right-click and "install as administrator." It then proceeded
        > to install itself without at any point asking where I would like it to put
        > itself, indicating how much disk space it required, etc. I don't like
        > Google taking over my computer even more than it already does.
        >
        > After clicking on your map, it eventually opened; but I wonder whether
        > this service can do what I'm looking for. There doesn't seem to be any
        > provision for changing the projection, or the angle of view; somewhere
        > there must be a control for telling it the edges of the map, but I couldn't
        > find such a thing. And I wonder whether it can do a simple outline map
        > rather than the familiar color image (which is especially unhelpful for
        > print publication).
        >
        > So thank you for introducing me to the resource -- but I don't think it
        > will be helpful.
        >
        > --
        > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
        > Jersey City
        >


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