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Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?

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  • W. Sheppard Baird
    Dear Peter, You should consider using Google Earth for this. It s a free 3D GIS map with many excellent features and is extremely easy to use. It s Windows,
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 19, 2013
      Dear Peter,

      You should consider using Google Earth for this. It's a free 3D GIS map
      with many excellent features and is extremely easy to use. It's Windows,
      Apple, and Linux compatible and fully supported by Google. I used this for
      the highly regarded 3D mapping of "The Archaeological Sites of the Aegean
      Minoans". The map data is in standard XML text format.

      http://www.minoanatlantis.com/Aegean_Minoan_Sites.php

      Google Earth Download Page
      http://www.google.com/earth/index.html

      Best,
      Sheppard Baird



      On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>wrote:

      > **
      >
      >
      > Today I've made some progress in mapping software. There's a system out
      > there called PAT (Portable ATlas) that looks as though it's very flexible,
      > and, being Open Source, it's totally free.
      >
      > http://ian.macky.net/pat/index.html
      >
      > The problem is that it's a DOS program and can't run on modern computers,
      > except with Linux, and the creator, Ian Macky, who so far is very friendly
      > and helpful, refuses to support the corporate giants Microsoft or Apple.
      >
      > But he asked me to let him know how it's getting along with Windows. I
      > found something called DOSbox, which seems to have been made to run ancient
      > games, and I thought I followed all the (none too clear) instructions, and
      > I've gotten to the stage where there are no more error messages, but
      > absolutely nothing happens!
      >
      > --
      > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
      > Jersey City
      >
      > >________________________________
      > > From: Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...>
      > >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      > >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:31 PM
      >
      > >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >Peter, this is a worthy project. Given your reputation, I would thing a
      > >grant would be a cakewalk. Maybe talk to George Athas.
      > >Jack Kilmon
      > >
      > >-----Original Message-----
      > >From: Peter T. Daniels
      > >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM
      > >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      > >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      > >
      > >I'm afraid I might have to ... but that would entail paying a
      > cartographer
      > >to create a publishable result!
      > >
      > >(I used to use a wonderful shareware program called VersaMap, but after
      > >about 20 years it ceased being supported by its creator, and one
      > publisher
      > >told me its bitmap output was not suitable for publication. If anyone
      > knows
      > >of inexpensive _versatile_ mapping software, I'd love to hear about it.)
      > >--
      > >Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
      > >Jersey City
      > >
      > >>________________________________
      > >> From: Lisbeth Fried <lizfried@...>
      > >>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:20 AM
      > >>Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>
      > >>Get to work!
      > >>
      > >>From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      > >>Peter T. Daniels
      > >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:07 AM
      > >>To: ANE-2 list
      > >>Subject: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
      > >>
      > >>Is it really possible that no one has made a map of the locations of
      > >>Aramaic
      > >>inscriptions since Gibson TSSI 2 in 1975??
      > >>
      > >>Google Images doesn't find a single one! (It shows me Aramaic
      > inscriptions,
      > >>and it shows me maps -- of both the Aramaic languages and the Achaemenid
      > >>empire -- but no maps of inscriptions.)
      > >>--
      > >>Peter T. Daniels grammatim@... <mailto:grammatim%40verizon.net>
      > >>Jersey City
      > >>
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    • R. Lehmann
      I think this is a worthy project for young but experienced Aramaists as for instance Giulia Francesca Grassi from Marburg University, Germany, or for Dirk
      Message 2 of 10 , Jun 20, 2013
        I think this is a worthy project for young but experienced Aramaists
        as for instance
        Giulia Francesca Grassi from Marburg University, Germany,
        or for Dirk Schwiderski, University of Heidelberg, Germany, who had
        made the two big and valuable volumes of
        "Die alt- und reichsaramäischen Inschriften / The Old and Imperial
        Aramaic Inscriptions", De Gruyter 2004/2008.
        Esp. Dirk might have all relevant material at hand.

        RGLehmann

        ¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨¨
        Dr. Reinhard G. Lehmann, Academic Director
        Research Unit on Ancient Hebrew & Epigraphy
        FB 01/ Faculty of Protestant Theology
        Johannes Gutenberg-University of Mainz
        D-55099 Mainz
        Germany
        lehmann@...
        http://www.hebraistik.uni-mainz.de/eng
        11th Mainz International Colloquium on Ancient Hebrew (MICAH) 2013:
        http://www.micah.hebraistik.uni-mainz.de/204.php





        Am 19.06.2013 um 00:31 schrieb Jack Kilmon:

        > Peter, this is a worthy project. Given your reputation, I would
        > thing a
        > grant would be a cakewalk. Maybe talk to George Athas.
        > Jack Kilmon
        >
        > -----Original Message-----
        > From: Peter T. Daniels
        > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM
        > To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
        >
        > I'm afraid I might have to ... but that would entail paying a
        > cartographer
        > to create a publishable result!
        >
        > (I used to use a wonderful shareware program called VersaMap, but
        > after
        > about 20 years it ceased being supported by its creator, and one
        > publisher
        > told me its bitmap output was not suitable for publication. If
        > anyone knows
        > of inexpensive _versatile_ mapping software, I'd love to hear about
        > it.)
        > --
        > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
        > Jersey City
        >
        >
        >> ________________________________
        >> From: Lisbeth Fried <lizfried@...>
        >> To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
        >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:20 AM
        >> Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >>
        >> Get to work!
        >>
        >> From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On
        >> Behalf Of
        >> Peter T. Daniels
        >> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:07 AM
        >> To: ANE-2 list
        >> Subject: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
        >>
        >> Is it really possible that no one has made a map of the locations of
        >> Aramaic
        >> inscriptions since Gibson TSSI 2 in 1975??
        >>
        >> Google Images doesn't find a single one! (It shows me Aramaic
        >> inscriptions,
        >> and it shows me maps -- of both the Aramaic languages and the
        >> Achaemenid
        >> empire -- but no maps of inscriptions.)
        >> --
        >> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@... <mailto:grammatim%40verizon.net
        >> >
        >> Jersey City
        >>
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        >>
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        >>
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        >
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      • Peter T. Daniels
        Well, I discovered why I d never been able to install Google Earth before: I needed to right-click and install as administrator. It then proceeded to install
        Message 3 of 10 , Jun 20, 2013
          Well, I discovered why I'd never been able to install Google Earth before: I needed to right-click and "install as administrator." It then proceeded to install itself without at any point asking where I would like it to put itself, indicating how much disk space it required, etc. I don't like Google taking over my computer even more than it already does.

          After clicking on your map, it eventually opened; but I wonder whether this service can do what I'm looking for. There doesn't seem to be any provision for changing the projection, or the angle of  view; somewhere there must be a control for telling it the edges of the map, but I couldn't find such a thing. And I wonder whether it can do a simple outline map rather than the familiar color image (which is especially unhelpful for print publication).

          So thank you for introducing me to the resource -- but I don't think it will be helpful.
          --
          Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
          Jersey City


          >________________________________
          > From: W. Sheppard Baird <minoanatlantis@...>
          >To: ANE-2 <ANE-2@yahoogroups.com>
          >Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2013 3:43 PM
          >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
          >
          >
          >

          >Dear Peter,
          >
          >You should consider using Google Earth for this. It's a free 3D GIS map
          >with many excellent features and is extremely easy to use. It's Windows,
          >Apple, and Linux compatible and fully supported by Google. I used this for
          >the highly regarded 3D mapping of "The Archaeological Sites of the Aegean
          >Minoans". The map data is in standard XML text format.
          >
          >http://www.minoanatlantis.com/Aegean_Minoan_Sites.php
          >
          >Google Earth Download Page
          >http://www.google.com/earth/index.html
          >
          >Best,
          >Sheppard Baird
          >
          >On Wed, Jun 19, 2013 at 2:31 PM, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>wrote:
          >
          >> **
          >>
          >>
          >> Today I've made some progress in mapping software. There's a system out
          >> there called PAT (Portable ATlas) that looks as though it's very flexible,
          >> and, being Open Source, it's totally free.
          >>
          >> http://ian.macky.net/pat/index.html
          >>
          >> The problem is that it's a DOS program and can't run on modern computers,
          >> except with Linux, and the creator, Ian Macky, who so far is very friendly
          >> and helpful, refuses to support the corporate giants Microsoft or Apple.
          >>
          >> But he asked me to let him know how it's getting along with Windows. I
          >> found something called DOSbox, which seems to have been made to run ancient
          >> games, and I thought I followed all the (none too clear) instructions, and
          >> I've gotten to the stage where there are no more error messages, but
          >> absolutely nothing happens!
          >>
          >> --
          >> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
          >> Jersey City
          >>
          >> >________________________________
          >> > From: Jack Kilmon <jkilmon@...>
          >> >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
          >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 6:31 PM
          >>
          >> >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >
          >> >Peter, this is a worthy project. Given your reputation, I would thing a
          >> >grant would be a cakewalk. Maybe talk to George Athas.
          >> >Jack Kilmon
          >> >
          >> >-----Original Message-----
          >> >From: Peter T. Daniels
          >> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:47 AM
          >> >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
          >> >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
          >> >
          >> >I'm afraid I might have to ... but that would entail paying a
          >> cartographer
          >> >to create a publishable result!
          >> >
          >> >(I used to use a wonderful shareware program called VersaMap, but after
          >> >about 20 years it ceased being supported by its creator, and one
          >> publisher
          >> >told me its bitmap output was not suitable for publication. If anyone
          >> knows
          >> >of inexpensive _versatile_ mapping software, I'd love to hear about it.)
          >> >--
          >> >Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
          >> >Jersey City
          >> >
          >> >>________________________________
          >> >> From: Lisbeth Fried <lizfried@...>
          >> >>To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
          >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:20 AM
          >> >>Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>
          >> >>Get to work!
          >> >>
          >> >>From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
          >> >>Peter T. Daniels
          >> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 10:07 AM
          >> >>To: ANE-2 list
          >> >>Subject: [ANE-2] Aramaic inscriptions map?
          >> >>
          >> >>Is it really possible that no one has made a map of the locations of
          >> >>Aramaic
          >> >>inscriptions since Gibson TSSI 2 in 1975??
          >> >>
          >> >>Google Images doesn't find a single one! (It shows me Aramaic
          >> inscriptions,
          >> >>and it shows me maps -- of both the Aramaic languages and the Achaemenid
          >> >>empire -- but no maps of inscriptions.)
          >> >>--
          >> >>Peter T. Daniels grammatim@... <mailto:grammatim%40verizon.net>
          >> >>Jersey City

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        • W. Sheppard Baird
          Dear Peter, I find your evaluation of Google Earth more than just a bit hasty. I m surely not a lover of all things Google but as someone that actually has
          Message 4 of 10 , Jun 20, 2013
            Dear Peter,

            I find your evaluation of Google Earth more than just a bit hasty. I'm
            surely not a lover of all things Google but as someone that actually has
            some expertise in this area you should know that the Google Earth
            application is "NOT" installed on your computer as you assume. It's a
            server application that lives in the cloud on a farm of hundreds of servers
            worldwide. The only software loaded onto your computer is that which allows
            you to view and manipulate this huge cloud application. Google Earth is
            intended to provide quality 3D GIS accessibility and ease of use to as many
            people as possible worldwide and is not all things to all people nor does
            it provide every feature one may desire. But you can easily rotate and tilt
            the map in any way you wish with the top right circular controls. Give it a
            try.

            No, it does not allow you to change the projection or automatically
            generate outline maps, etc. These are features that can be found in
            professional GIS packages like ESRI ArcGIS which is the de facto GIS
            standard at many universities around the world. But Google Earth map data
            can easily be imported into ESRI ArcGIS maps anytime you wish making GE map
            data available for its many highly sophisticated features. The learning
            curve for professional GIS apps is typically huge taking weeks or months
            and thus very expensive. This is probably why the map you and your
            colleagues desire has not been attempted. But Google Earth can prove useful
            in a matter of minutes for any novice with a bit of patience.

            The collection of valid confirmed sites and the acquisition of accurate
            site coordinates is an ongoing process. Even now after several years of
            development a few newly discovered "non-sensitive" sites are added to the
            Aegean Minoan 3D GIS project every year and coordinates are sometimes
            adjusted for greater accuracy. The creation of this map was only possible
            with the kind voluntary assistance of many dozens of scholars, colleagues,
            students, etc. almost none of whom had any GIS expertise at all. But they
            could carry an inexpensive GPS receiver and record coordinates. The fewer
            trained GIS experts involved with your project the less expensive and more
            practical it will become.

            The fervor of our project volunteers was fueled by knowing that our entire
            map would be freely available to everyone and not just a few specialists. I
            completely agree with Charles in that it would be a monumental step
            forward, especially for the specialists however counter-intuitive it may
            seem, by sipping the sweet nectar of open access for all.

            Best,

            W. Sheppard Baird
            California State Polytechnic University - Pomona
            Sarasota, Florida
            minoanatlantis@...



            On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@...>wrote:

            > Well, I discovered why I'd never been able to install Google Earth before:
            > I needed to right-click and "install as administrator." It then proceeded
            > to install itself without at any point asking where I would like it to put
            > itself, indicating how much disk space it required, etc. I don't like
            > Google taking over my computer even more than it already does.
            >
            > After clicking on your map, it eventually opened; but I wonder whether
            > this service can do what I'm looking for. There doesn't seem to be any
            > provision for changing the projection, or the angle of view; somewhere
            > there must be a control for telling it the edges of the map, but I couldn't
            > find such a thing. And I wonder whether it can do a simple outline map
            > rather than the familiar color image (which is especially unhelpful for
            > print publication).
            >
            > So thank you for introducing me to the resource -- but I don't think it
            > will be helpful.
            >
            > --
            > Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
            > Jersey City
            >


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