SV: [ANE-2] Re: THE BIBLE UNEARTHED
- Dear Werner
You are absolutely right: Finkelstein is good, very good indeed, but the
same can be said about Amy Mazar, a very skilled archaeologist. My
advice is: If you read Finkelstein, you should also read Mazar.
It is not so much about C-14 which is not for the 12th-10th century a
very precise medium. It is a bout pottery. Here Finkelstein promotes
what he calls the lower chronology. But surely, there are problems.
On line with Finkelstein, the doyen of Israeli archaeology, David
Ussishkin. I do not know but guess that the late Orna Zimhoni may have
had her part of this. There is a book from Tel Aviv with her essays. She
was definitely their expert on pottery but died young in 1997.
- Dear Niels Peter,
While I agree in principle that the author of Kings uses numbers to make a point, and that obviously all of the multiples of 40 are typological, I wonder how you count Jehoshaphat as a bad king. Here's the entire passage, from 1 Kings 22:
41 Jehoshaphat son of Asa began to reign over Judah in the fourth year of King Ahab of Israel. 42 Jehoshaphat was thirty-five years old when he began to reign, and he reigned twenty-five years in Jerusalem. His mother's name was Azubah daughter of Shilhi. 43 He walked in all the way of his father Asa; he did not turn aside from it, doing what was right in the sight of the Lord; yet the high places were not taken away, and the people still sacrificed and offered incense on the high places. 44 Jehoshaphat also made peace with the king of Israel. 45 Now the rest of the acts of Jehoshaphat, and his power that he showed, and how he waged war, are they not written in the Book of the Annals of the Kings of Judah? 46 The remnant of the male temple prostitutes who were still in the land in the days of his father Asa, he exterminated. 47 There was no king in Edom; a deputy was king. 48 Jehoshaphat made ships of the Tarshish type to go to Ophir for gold; but they did not go, for the ships were wrecked at Ezion-geber. 49 Then Ahaziah son of Ahab said to Jehoshaphat, "Let my servants go with your servants in the ships," but Jehoshaphat was not willing. 50 Jehoshaphat slept with his ancestors and was buried with his ancestors in the city of his father David; his son Jehoram succeeded him.
So not perfect - he's also criticized earlier for making an alliance with Israel, but certainly more good than bad. He walked in the ways of Asa, who you count as a good king.
----- Original Message -----
From: Niels Peter Lemche
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2006 7:15 AM
Subject: SV: SV: [ANE-2] Re: THE BIBLE UNEARTHED
Well, my friend, you are walking around in some literal reading where
few except the evangelicals will follow you.
Have a look of the chronology of the early Judean kingdom (if there was
David 40 years - good king
Saul 40 years - good king
Rehabeam 17 years + Abiyah 3 years = 20 years - bad kings
Asa 40 years - good king (41 in Kings, 40 in Chronicles -- definitely
some corruption took place here)
Josaphat 25 years + Joram 8 years + Ahaziah 1 year + Athaliah 6 years --
all bad kings (and a bad queen) = 40 years
Yoash 40 years - good king
It is totally artificial this system. The author of Samuel and Kings had
no idea about actual numbers; he had no idea about the historical part
of what he was writing. He used numbers for different purposes, like in
Judges, the list of the small Judges:
Tola 23 years
Jair 22 years
Ibsan 7 years
Elon 10 years
Abdon 8 years
All together 70 years
The calculation of the individual numbers had to make up the round or
pregnant number 70
Othniel: Peace for Israel in 40 years
Ehud: Peace for Israel in 80 years
Barak: Peace for Israel in 40 years
Gideon: Peace for Israel in 40 years
Have an article about it, so far in Danish only. Will see if I get time
to translate it sometimes during the upcoming dark and gloomy
So, please enjoy playing your numbers. In biblical studies -- except
from the conservative part -- sorry to say, your endeavours will be
reckoned goose hunting.
Niels Peter Lemche
PS: Now it is time to see your credentials: Astrochronologist, what is
this strange creature? Never heard about it. Please show your cards, and
let some assyriologists join the discussion about their chronology. But,
dear Lars, be short.
PS II: you didn't answer my question! That you have your beloved
Chronicles say -- according to your interpretation only -- that Rehoboam
ruled together with Solomon, was it for 7 years, another round biblical
number -- while the same book two chapters earlier expressly says that
Solomon died, was buried and then succeeded by his son. I think your
interpretation of 2 Chron 12 is eisegesis, not exegesis.
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