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Re: [ANE-2] Re: Lead Codices

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  • Jack Kilmon
    This appears to be a case where someone with a BA in art is promoted to an archaeologist and a religious archaeologist and an Egyptologist by the press.
    Message 1 of 8 , Apr 6, 2011
      This appears to be a case where someone with a BA in art is promoted to an
      "archaeologist" and a "religious archaeologist" and an "Egyptologist" by the
      press. No one with any credentialed expertise in any of the disciplines
      required to analyze these things, Semitists, materials analysts,
      paleographers, or a real, genuine, fedora wearing archaeologist, has been
      asked on the "team" headed by a guy who analyzes things through earth's
      vibrations. They appear to me, from the few pictures I have seen, to be a
      mosaic harvested from epigraphy and ancient coinage. I am sure the book and
      the film, probably already under contract with Simcha, will "expose" a
      conspiracy among scholars to suppress the the "greatest discovery since the
      Dead Sea Scrolls."

      Jack Kilmon
      San Antonio, TX

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Trudy Kawami
      Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 1:00 PM
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ANE-2] Re: Lead Codices

      What is interesting in this exchange of comments is the frequency of words
      like "believe," "believing", "would have been" (interesting conditional
      there), "have been told" and similar terms. There is no objective
      description of the corrosion products, no statement of the parameters of the
      tests, no mention of XRF analysis or any other commonly used & accepted
      analytical procedure for assessing the "life" of a piece of metal. Instead
      we appear to have scholars of religion and language who couldn't tell cast
      metal from hammered (let alone copper alloy from lead) hoping/believing
      something is authentic - bad science (& bad logic). Add to this the
      approach of the Easter season, you can see the red flags of super-hype
      Willing suspension of dis-belief is fine for the theater, but really
      inappropriate in scholarship.

      Trudy S. Kawami, PhD
      Director of Research
      Arthur M. Sackler Foundation
      461 East 57th Street
      New York, NY 10022
      212-980-5400 X25

      From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:51 AM
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ANE-2] Re: Lead Codices

      Dear Russell,
      I will try and clarify.
      1. I do not know what Elkington showed to Peter Thonemann, as I severed
      contact with him, very early on and warned Margaret Barker to be wary. Her
      expertise is not in question but I believe she has been misled.
      2. I have been told by Hassan Saeda that they were given to him by his
      grandfather and came from near the Israel/Jordan border.
      3. Yes this item is part of the cache and I have seen it. Whether it was
      copied from the museum, or the original funery display I cannot say. But, if
      the material is genuine, and the jury is still out on that, I date them to
      the 2nd century Bar Kochbar period so it would have been accessible to the
      original makers.
      4. Philip Davies is quoted in the newspapers and on the BBC as believing the
      material is authentic and very early Christian in origin. I do not know if
      he was correctly quoted. I have had nothing to do with the group Elkington
      consulted (apart from talking with Margaret Barker), so I do not know if
      Professor Davies has examined actual samples - although I would doubt it- he
      has probably only seen photographs of this particular item. They did, it
      appears have access to actual samples of some of the sheets.

      Hope this helps.
      Robert Feather, London

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