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Re: [ANE-2] Re: Lead Codice

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  • Joe Zias
    They are of such poor quality I m surprised that anyone bought the story. On the other hand it s always the biblical acholars who fall for this stuff as dirt
    Message 1 of 11 , Apr 6, 2011
      They are of such poor quality I'm surprised that anyone bought the story. On the other hand it's always the biblical acholars who fall for this stuff as dirt archaeologists, museum curators, dealers can usually spot these items as forgeries a mile away. Moreover, look at the names of those involved, at times it's a dead giveaway.


      Joe Zias www.joezias.com

      Science and Antiquity Group - Jerusalem
      Jerusalem, Israel

      --- On Wed, 4/6/11, tom_verenna <tsverenna@...> wrote:

      From: tom_verenna <tsverenna@...>
      Subject: [ANE-2] Re: Lead Codice
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Wednesday, April 6, 2011, 8:24 AM


      At this point we have to accept that, based on just prima facie evidence

      (pictures provided by the media and so forth), that the images we are

      supplied with are indeed fakes. I don't know who stated these were

      'genuine' but I can tell you it was not Philip. And I know that

      Margaret has not seen the tablets first hand (she has said as much

      herself) and both her and Philip had not been told that the one tablet

      which has been verified as part of the collection was indeed modern.

      The evidence is so strong at present that the tablets we have seen are

      fakes that I suspect when the other tablets are 'released' in whatever

      money-making scheme Elkington has in store, they will be discovered as

      modern as well.

      Tom Verenna, Philadelphia

      --- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, "Robert" <rd@...> wrote:


      > Dear Mr. Feather


      > I saw at least 15 such chimeras


      > I will give a short description of some highlights from the

      iconography depicted on several "codices" for the "scholars" which are

      not familiar with numismatics.


      > On a single leaf one can find: the head of Alexander the great copied,

      > or impressed from a coin of his general Lysimachos, a palm tree from

      the coins of Bar Kokhba and Cartage, the eight pointed stars from the

      Jewish coins of Alexander Yannay and Hellenistic coins of the Seleucus,

      the bust of Domitianus from the administration coins minted in Judaea,

      The "inscriptions" are copied from the Hasmonean and Bar Kokhba coins,

      inscribed in straight and mirror shape, not to mention Gibberish in



      > Some of the leafs are impressed by a mechanical device and some made

      by hand, All are sealed with nails, some made of iron.


      > No patina or corrosion is detected on them, but only an artificial

      brown color. An expert who is familiar with lead rust doesn't need more

      than 10 seconds with a magnifying glass to find out the fraud.


      > Let me end with a comment I made a short time ago on Jim West's Web


      > "Scholars are contaminating their academic records with lead poison".


      > What can I add - the name of Jesus was called in vain.


      > Robert Deutsch

      > Herzliah




      > --- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, "a8oct@" a8oct@ wrote:

      > >

      > >

      > >

      > > --- In ANE-2@yahoogroups.com, Robert Deutsch <rd@> wrote:

      > > >

      > > > This is ridiculous and embarrassing how serious "experts" are

      > > > considering the authenticity of such foolish fakes.

      > > > The antiquities dealers in Israel are bombarded in the last 15


      > > > with such "booklets", which are poured from Jordan,

      > > > west of the land of Ali Baba. Yes, The Ali Baba Codices.

      > > >

      > > > Robert Deutsch

      > > > Tel Aviv

      > > >

      > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

      > > >

      > > Is it not just possible that the sightings you refer to are from

      people who have 'acquired' some of the find? The JAA had apparently seen

      some examples and thought them fakes, but no-one did any serious testing

      of them. Since then extensive metallurgical tests have been performed

      by Oxford Materials Laboratory and elsewhere and the opinion of Dr Peter

      Northover is that they were not modern castings. Several professors, who

      have studied examples, have said they think they are genuine. How do you

      explain reports that the Director of Jordan's Department of Antiquities,

      Ziad al-Saad, now thinks they are genuine and wants them back? If they

      are so prolific in the market place, has Robert Deutsch seen any

      examples? Does he know of any actual dealers who have seen them? If so

      when and where? How did he or they know what he or they saw were fakes

      or genuine?

      > > Robert Feather, London

      > >


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