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3,500 year old bracelet -- some questions

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  • weinstei
    I have some questions concerning the supposedly 3,500-year-old bracelet recently found in excavations at Ramat Razim (near Zefat) directed by Karen
    Message 1 of 2 , Aug 5, 2010
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      I have some questions concerning the supposedly 3,500-year-old bracelet
      recently found in excavations at Ramat Razim (near Zefat) directed by
      Karen Covello-Paran (
      http://www.antiquities.org.il/about_eng.asp?Modul_id=14 ):

      1). Has the bracelet been subjected to thermoluminescence dating to
      determine when the bronze was last smelted? If not, are
      thermoluminescence dating tests planned?

      2). Has the composition of the bronze been determined? My understanding
      is that most modern bronzes are tin-bronze alloys, whereas ancient Near
      Eastern bronze may be either tin-bronze or arsenic-bronze. Furthermore,
      trace element analysis might permit determination of the source of the
      copper, which for a true Late Bronze artifact would probably have been
      either Cyprus or, less likely, Sinai or the Wadi Feinan.

      3). How secure is the find-spot? Was the bracelet in situ on a floor of
      the estate house, part of a burial under a floor, or a surface find
      within the limits of the estate house? Was the find-spot sealed from
      above? Was there any indication of bioturbation? Intrusive pits or burials?

      4) Were any reliably-datable objects, besides the scarab, found together
      with the bracelet? How far from the bracelet was the scarab found, and
      what was the architectural relationship (if any) between the two find
      spots? Is it possible that the scarab had been reused recently as a
      piece of modern jewelry? Can photoluminescence dating be used to
      determine when the scarab was buried?


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      Joseph Weinstein
      Somerville, MA
      joseph.weinstein@...
    • Joseph I. Lauer
      While it will be necessary to wait for the excavation report from the Ramat Razim excavation to see if there are any remaining questions about the antiquity of
      Message 2 of 2 , Aug 7, 2010
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        While it will be necessary to wait for the excavation report from the
        Ramat Razim excavation to see if there are any remaining questions about the
        antiquity of the bracelet/bangle found there, I have heard some statements
        from the IAA archaeologist on the scene, Karen Covello-Paran, defending the
        conclusion that it is ancient.
        Among the subjects of the two-hour LandMinds program broadcast
        Wednesday, August 4, 2010, was the "Horned Bracelet" (bangle) found at Ramat
        Razim. In an interview with Barnea Levi Selavan and David Willner,
        archaeologist Karen Covello-Paran described the village and artifacts found
        in context, unexpectedly found near the surface, providing a new light on
        this size settlement from 3,500 years ago. She stated that the horned
        bracelet was found in a clear destruction layer context of the Late Bronze
        period, its style relates to another bronze piece found next to it, with
        pottery of the period, and no later intrusions, and rejected the recent
        claim (posted by Robert Deutsch on ANE-2) regarding its dating and
        significance.
        The full two-hour LandMinds program may be accessed at
        http://www.foundationstone.org/LandMinds10/page73/page73.html and
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/News.aspx/2428
        The interview with Karen Covello-Paran is in the 4th section of the
        program.
        It may also be directly accessed at the Foundation Stone page (second
        half of #182) and at
        http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Radio/Player.htm#0#2428#2.
        (The timing mentioned below works best with Foundation Stone #182.)
        The interview begins at c. 10:50. The bracelet, and its being found with
        smashed pottery, is mentioned at c. 19:30-20:30.
        (There is a break from c. 22:30-23:00.)
        The claim posted at ANE-2 is discussed at c. 30:11, and the interview
        ends at 32:55.
        Joseph I. Lauer
        Brooklyn, New York
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