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RE: [ANE-2] Persian Empire

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  • Lisbeth S. Fried
    Hi David, I’ve seen it argued that it is not Darius, but a Saitic king, and Darius just added his name. I don’t have the references with me now, as I’m
    Message 1 of 148 , Aug 2, 2009
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      Hi David,

      I’ve seen it argued that it is not Darius, but a Saitic king, and Darius just added his name.

      I don’t have the references with me now, as I’m in Israel at the WCJS.

      All the best,

      Liz

      Ann Arbor, and Jerusalem



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      From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Lorton
      Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:34 PM
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Persian Empire





      -----Original Message-----
      >From: Clark Whelton <cwhelton@mindspring <mailto:cwhelton%40mindspring.com> .com>
      >Sent: Jul 30, 2009 11:34 PM
      >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups. <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com> com
      >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Persian Empire

      >Liz wrote:
      >>>>>>>>>...Take Egypt for example. Where are the Persian period temples or
      >>>>>>>>>artifacts?
      >Well, we have an occasional statue of Darius, but not much>

      Let's not forget the temple of Hibis. Throughout the temple, we see Darius, dressed as an Egyptian pharaoh and identified by name in his cartouches.

      >Clark writes:
      >
      >I think there was a Persian Empire, but as things stand now it's mostly a
      >literary construct. With so little material evidence it's only a matter of
      >time until the Persian Empire shares the peculiar fate of the Medes,
      >celebrated in Greek sources but absent in the ground, even in their Iranian
      >homeland. The chronology of the ANE is trying to tell us something. The
      >third and second millennia are rich in archaeological finds -- Sumerians,
      >Old Babylonians, Mitanni, the New Kingdom, Mycenaeans. But the first
      >millennium has nothing for the Chaldeans, little for the empire Persians,
      >nothing for the Medes, little for pre-Ptolemaic Egypt, and a Dark Age in
      >pre-Hellenic Greece. What's wrong with this picture?

      Mr. Whelton raises this question of the lack of Persian strata in Mesopotamia every year or so. It's always thoroughly answered . . . but then he raises it again. And now the question, "What's wrong with this picture?" Why should we think anything is wrong with the picture? And if Mr. Whelton thinks he has an answer to his question, would he kindly share it?

      David Lorton
      Baltimore, MD





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    • Lisbeth S. Fried
      Hi David, I’ve seen it argued that it is not Darius, but a Saitic king, and Darius just added his name. I don’t have the references with me now, as I’m
      Message 148 of 148 , Aug 2, 2009
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        Hi David,

        I’ve seen it argued that it is not Darius, but a Saitic king, and Darius just added his name.

        I don’t have the references with me now, as I’m in Israel at the WCJS.

        All the best,

        Liz

        Ann Arbor, and Jerusalem



        _____

        From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Lorton
        Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 11:34 PM
        To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Persian Empire





        -----Original Message-----
        >From: Clark Whelton <cwhelton@mindspring <mailto:cwhelton%40mindspring.com> .com>
        >Sent: Jul 30, 2009 11:34 PM
        >To: ANE-2@yahoogroups. <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com> com
        >Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Persian Empire

        >Liz wrote:
        >>>>>>>>>...Take Egypt for example. Where are the Persian period temples or
        >>>>>>>>>artifacts?
        >Well, we have an occasional statue of Darius, but not much>

        Let's not forget the temple of Hibis. Throughout the temple, we see Darius, dressed as an Egyptian pharaoh and identified by name in his cartouches.

        >Clark writes:
        >
        >I think there was a Persian Empire, but as things stand now it's mostly a
        >literary construct. With so little material evidence it's only a matter of
        >time until the Persian Empire shares the peculiar fate of the Medes,
        >celebrated in Greek sources but absent in the ground, even in their Iranian
        >homeland. The chronology of the ANE is trying to tell us something. The
        >third and second millennia are rich in archaeological finds -- Sumerians,
        >Old Babylonians, Mitanni, the New Kingdom, Mycenaeans. But the first
        >millennium has nothing for the Chaldeans, little for the empire Persians,
        >nothing for the Medes, little for pre-Ptolemaic Egypt, and a Dark Age in
        >pre-Hellenic Greece. What's wrong with this picture?

        Mr. Whelton raises this question of the lack of Persian strata in Mesopotamia every year or so. It's always thoroughly answered . . . but then he raises it again. And now the question, "What's wrong with this picture?" Why should we think anything is wrong with the picture? And if Mr. Whelton thinks he has an answer to his question, would he kindly share it?

        David Lorton
        Baltimore, MD





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