Re: SV: SV: [ANE-2] Re: Origins of the Book of Kings
- NP wrote:
> It is not us who are doing harm to Judaism and the Jews butI write:
> classical historical-critical scholarship whp moved these books back
> to the time of "ancient Israel", denying Judaism any important
> part. As usual i can refer readers to my The OT between theology
> and history where you find this explained. Some of it not far from
> real anti-Semirism (also think of the context in which such ideas
This is not quite correct. Classical historical-criticism, as
formulated by Wilhelm Martin Leberecht de Wette and his supporters and
synthesized so well by Julius Wellhausen in his /Prolegomena/ were the
first to insist on a late dating of the Pentateuch. Deuternomy was
dated to Josiah's time or later (de Wette's suggestion) with the rest
of the books of the Pentateuch following even later (J.K.W. Vatke's
contribution). This was all tied to the idea that an original
vivacious, free, and unlegislated /Hebraism/ degenerated into the
later dead, enforced, and legalist /Judaism/, all to be superseded by
Christianity, which restored the spirit of /Hebraism/. This dialectic
was clearly partaking of philosophic, social-democratic, and
Romanticism's aesthetic strains current from the late 17th to late
19th centuries in German-language scholarship. It is all clearly part
of an apologetics that is meant to prove that liberal German
Protestantism was the ultimate expression of human religiosity, and
liberal German Protestant scholarship the peak of human intellectual
Nearly all of the foundational documents of this era are available
through Google books: de Wette's /Beitrage/ and /Biblische Dogmatik/,
Vatke's /Biblische Theologie/, and of course Wellhausen's
/Prolegomena/, and many, many more. One can read for oneself the
bile, which over the ages of summarization and synopsis has been
passed over, while the methodologies based upon such peculiar and
unacceptable notions has remained.
NP is right, though, that this anti-Judaism of earlier scholarship
cannot be equated with antisemitism, as this latter (in currently
formulated distinctions, at the very least) requires a theory of
racialism which simply didn't exist earlier, and only comes into play
in the last third or so of the nineteenth century.
I do think, however, that the conscience of scholarship on the matter
deserves examination, and issues of the retention of methods that were
based in such a sordid mindset and agenda need to be addressed.
George was very certainly right that there is a very clear denigration
of the Jews found in various aspects of the inheritance of
scholarship, particularly the historical-critical method. But we must
be sure to keep the baby, and throw out only the bathwater.
I highly recommend the new title by Anders Gerdmar, /Roots of
Theological Anti-Semitism: German Biblical Interpretation and the
Jews, from Herder and Semler to Kittel and Bultmann/ (Brill, 2009).
The dissertation of James Pasto, /Who Owns the Jewish Past? Judaism,
Judaisms, and the Writing of Jewish History/ (Cornell University,
1999; available from UMI) covers much of the same territory.
Kevin P. Edgecomb
- The episodes you mention predate the Babylonian Chronicles and do not
involve the Mesopotamian empires.
There may be historical material in Kings not derived from the Babylonian
Ahab was described as going to fight the King of Aram in Ramath Gilead
east of the Jordan River (Ramath Gilead was supposed to be the birthplace of
Elijah the Tishbite). This would have been near the land of the Moabites.
Ahab was killed in the battle.
The Moabite stela claimed Mesha killed the son of Omri and took land from
Israel. Mesha of Moab may have sided with Aram at Ramath Gilead and used
the Aramaen victory to temporarily displace Israel as claimed in his stela.
2Kings 1:1 After Ahab's death, Moab rebelled against Israel.
In Kings 3 Israel claimed Mesha and Moab who used to be subservient had
rebelled and afterward Israel entered Moab with a large force attacking from
the direction of Edom to the south instead of Aram to the north put down
Was this history in Kings II not from Berossus?
David Q. Hall
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