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9879Re: [ANE-2] Boomerangs in Ancient Egypt & Narmer - & N Palette names a king called Pepy!

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  • Doug Weller
    Feb 11, 2009
      Hi Brian,

      High resolution photos of the Narmer palette here (a link from the
      Wikipedia article)

      And the Wikipedia article now claims that

      In the third register at the bottom of the palette we have a king
      named PPP (Pepy) with a bull known as Montu commonly used in the kings
      titulary [16] building a city with the power of Montu. [Based it says on p.72 of Gardiner's Egyptian Grammar.


      Wednesday, February 11, 2009, 12:11:42 PM, you wrote:

      > On 10/02/2009, at 5:31 AM, Trudy Kawami wrote:
      >> Are you talking about the Horus on the obverse? He holds a tether to
      >> the
      >> nose of the Delta rebel.

      > You are right, Trudy.
      > I have always seen it as cord, until this idea was put into my head
      > yesterday.

      > Once again I have been prompted to put my own little piece about the
      > palette on the internet, in the ancient Egypt section of

      > http://collesseum.googlepages.com/

      > It ends thus (with an idea that came into my head about MENES):

      > Was Narmer the King Menes who (according to the priests of Memphis, as
      > reported by the Greek historian Herodotos, 5th C. B.C.E.) was the
      > first king of Egypt and the founder of Memphis.

      > Here is a thought I have had: If we read the chisel sign in the name
      > "catfish chisel" (nar mer) not as mer but as menh (menkh) "chisel",
      > and note that the Greeks used to omit h (kh) in such foreign (Hebrew)
      > names as Menahem (Greek Menaem) and Nehemyah (Greek Neemia), then
      > Greek Menes could be Egyptian Menkh, and this palette could be the
      > record of the founding of the First Dynasty of United Egypt.

      > However, it should be noted that there is another candidate with a
      > claim to be the legendary King Menes. An ivory label found at Naqada
      > (near Thebes) has a sign men beside the name 'Aha, thought to be the
      > successor of Narmer. No tomb has been found for King Narmer at Saqqara
      > (the royal burial place near Memphis) ; the oldest-known tomb there
      > belongs to 'Aha. Was Narmer only the forerunner of 'Aha, and 'Aha the
      > builder of Memphis and the founder of the First Dynasty (around 3000
      > B.C.E.)?

      > http://collesseum.googlepages.com/narmer

      > Your other question:
      > Is the throw-stick ever shown in a "combat" rather than hunting scene
      > (usually the fowling in the marshes motif)?

      > I don't know (but apparently not), and I think the Australian
      > boomerang was used for hunting animals for food, and not for fighting.

      > Brian Colless
      > Massey U, NZ
      >> Just curious.
      >> Trudy Kawami
      > (Kawami: Polynesian? Japanese? Hawaiian-Japanese?)
      >> ______________________________
      >> From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
      >> Of
      >> Brian Colless
      >> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 10:48 PM
      >> To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      >> Subject: Re: [ANE-2] Boomerangs in ANE, AE (Ancient Egypt) trade etc.
      >> Yes, I went to
      >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_stick_
      >> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throw_stick_> (hieroglyph)
      >> (but I had to do a search to get through to it, as the bit in round
      >> brackets did not register, did not light up in blue)
      >> The word ga, 'throw-stick' is offered in a little box; interesting;
      >> It was already saying G before it was borrowed for the proto-alphabet?
      >> One surprise for me was on the Narmer Palette (which I have studied
      >> very closely in the past): the Horus Hawk is holding one; the King is
      >> wielding a 'donger' (club) to smash skulls.
      >> The alleged 'birthing wand' is a puzzle to me.
      >> Brian Colless
      >> Massey U, NZ
      >> ,___

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      Doug Weller Moderator, sci.archaeology.moderated
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