5979Re: Cuneiform variants
- Sep 2, 2007--- In ANEemail@example.com, Robert M Whiting <whiting@...> wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Sep 2007, Jim Wagner wrote:
> > I've been working my way through some of the Annals of the Kings of
> > Assyria
> > Mainly because they have transliterations so I can check my own work
> > afterward. I'm using Labat's sign list. On occasion, however, I find
> > a sign that doesn't exist in Labat.
> I suspect that what you are saying is that you come across a variant
> form that isn't shown in Labat. If you are reading Akkadian texts,every
> sign you come across will be in Labat. However Labat is muchabbreviated
> as far as the paleography of cuneiform signs is concerned, so not everyYes, I understand that.
> variant form of every sign is illustrated.
> > An example is on p. 103. line 55, the sign transliterated as 'su' in
> > "an-á¸«u-su-nu" is not in Labat's list.
> You do realize that the cuneiform signs in this volume are typeset
> modern font and don't have anything to do with cuneiform impressed inI understand that. They are "standardized" (by modern scholars), from
> clay, don't you?
the original engraved-in-clay representations.
> > A further interesting thing is that in one of the earlier annals,
> > Pudu-ili, p3, line 9, "Å¡arra-su" is written with an unusual sign
> > representing the "su." It is not the same as the one on p103 but it
> > looks, to me, as if it could be an earlier development of the same
> It is the same sign. The two signs are the principal variants of the SU
> sign in Assyrian script. The second is the standard from of the SU sign
> in Assyrian script. The first is a variant that developed from the
> Babylonian form of the sign.
> > The sign does not appear to occur in the _List of Neo-Assyrian
> > Cuneiform signs_, based on Borger (with the caveat that I may have
> > missed a variant sign too different for my eyes to distinguish.)
> Look at the "Palï¿½ographie" beginning on p. 5 of Borger's
> Assyrisch-Babylonische Zeichenliste (AOAT 33/33A) under no. 7 and
> find these variants of the SU sign along with a number of others.not simple
> > Part of the impetus behind this letter is that I have discovered, here
> > and there, three different methods of writing the sign meaning
> > iá¹£á¹£uru, _bird_. These differences are radical differences,
> > alterationsbehind
> They are alterations. You just have to be aware of the principles
> the alterations.Thank you very much for the advice.
> > Clearly, signs change through the ages.
> As does everything else (with the possible exception of sharks).
> > The question is, is there a "better" signlist to be using, or should I
> > just go on as I have been, making separate notes of each sign and its
> > apparent value as I come on it?
> The best manual on cuneiform paleography remains C. Fossey, Manuel
> d'assyriologie, vol. 2: Evolution des cunï¿½iformes (Paris 1926).
> There is no need to guess about these things. Cuneiform script has beenmay be
> thoroughly studied and extensively written about. You can of course
> continue to reinvent the wheel if you wish; if you think your wheel
> more efficient or effective than the one currently in use it might beAt the present moment, I am interested only in being able to read
> worthwhile. Otherwise, I don't see much point to it.
cuneiform, in the Semitic varieties, mostly Neo-Assyrian and late
Babylonian. Once I get to the state where I can actually read texts,
I will maker up my mind what the next step might be.
I need to be able to do this from here, and the University of
Saskatchewan does not offer any courses in Ancient Near Eastern Languages.
I am also on a limited budget, and can only build up my library very
slowly. Having discovered things on the net like the numerous
publications of the Cuneiform Texts from Babylonian Tablets has made
the very notion of studying Cuneiform more viable.
Also, the Province of Saskatchewan has a very admirable Inter-library
Loan system, through which I can get access to many books that would
otherwise be beyond my means.
> > Or is there some other suggestion I have not thought of?click
> Among these, the most productive might be to see the list of published
> lists of cuneiform signs provided by the Cuneiform Digital Paleography
> Project <http://www.cdp.bham.ac.uk/Publications/signlists.htm>. You can
> also use the CDP Project database to see examples of the signs in
> cuneiform. Go to <http://www.cdp.bham.ac.uk/Database/login.htm> and
> on "Click here for Guest Access". If you want to see examples of the SUvariants of
> sign, click on "Search instances - simple" and when the search form
> appears type "su" (without the quotation marks) in the "Sign" space.
> This will take you to a page where you can select different examples of
> the SU sign. Examples 1 and 3 will illustrate the two primary
> the sign in Assyrian script. If you look at all the examples, you willI very much appreciate your advice and assistance, and your patience
> see the relationship between the various forms of the sign.
with extremely pre-basic questions.
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