2414Re: [ANE-2] The abagadary vagary
- Sep 2, 2006
> From: "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@...>Yes, Peter, you are right, of course. The word exists to distinguish the
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> "Abjad" is NOT an equivalent of "alphabet."
Semitic-type script in which each character represesents a consonant.
So it should be called a "'bgd", pronounced with no vowels (like "Ms").
No, that's me being "silly" again (cognate with German "selig", blessed,
mystically blissful, in the seventh heaven of delight, away with the ...
angels, and with my Syriac mystic, John of Dalyatha).
Even though 'bgd is written without vowels, that does not mean it is
pronounced without vowels; the reader supplies the vowels in texts written
in such scripts. (And I pronounce "Ms" the same as "Miss").
The special meaning of "alphabet" is the Greco-Roman type, which includes
vowel-signs as well as consonant-letters.
But I also like to call this a "vocalic" alphabet, as opposed to a
"consonantal" alphabet. We should be allowed to talk about the Hebrew
alphabet, and the Syriac alphabet, when we are not being technical.
And an abgad is also a "consonantary", not a "syllabary" (in which each
character is a "syllabogram", representing a particular syllable, as in the
And an abugida is a simplified syllabary (Sanskrit and Ethiopic, both of
which developed from the Semitic abgad/consonantary). You could say that the
Hebrew and Arabic scriptures, with vowel-marks added to the consonants, have
such a system of writing. (If we don't classify them that way, what would be
the correct designation, in a single word?)
The ancient Mesopotamian (Sumero-Akkadian) and Canaanite ("Byblos
pseudo-hieroglyphic") scripts were logosyllabaries (the signs stand for
words or syllables).
The Egyptian hieroglyphic system is a special case: a "logoconsonantary"
(normally no vowels are indicated).
And eventually it will be common knowledge that the Semitic "proto-alphabet"
was not simply a 'abgad/ consonantary, but a logoconsonantary, a very
simplified or reduced imitation of the Egyptian system.
And so, an "abagadary" is a "table" (a paradigm?) of the Semitic "alphabet",
at any stage of its development. And thus I decree.
For an example of such a table of the proto-alphabet, found in Thebes, with
the letters not in any particular order, go to:
("The alphabet when young")
(I would like to get a good copy of it into our ANE-2 photo-album)
And please note that Emile Puech has informed me that he drew attention to
it "in a lecture at the first congress of Phenician and Punic Studies, in
Rome in 1979".
And do we need a word "abugidary"?
> At its first appearance in print I note that Alan Corré suggested the
> pronunciation "abgad" (JAOS 110: 730 n. 7).
> Peter T. Daniels grammatim@...
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> From: B.E.Colless <briancolless@...>
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> Yes, it is my own neologism. We have previously discussed Peter Daniels's
> "abjad" for "alphabet" (I said I would prefer to say "ab(a)gad"). And
> "abagadary" is made acrophonic-ly from 'Alp Bayt Gaml Dalt.
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