14353Re: [ANE-2] Recognizing Iron Age Israelite Settlements
- Jul 14, 2012I agree with Niels here. Sure, certain material objects and 'styles' can
serve as ethnic markers, but how does one know which ones? Any type of
object can transmit a message; the message can be about various cultural
or economic norms, other than ethnicity. Assuming there is a certain Iron I
uniformity (opinions differ), how do you know it was "deliberately"
maintained, or even maintained as an ethnic marker?
I am not sure I understood the "self-contained trading networks"
case. If you identify them by archaeology, they too relate to appearance or
lack of certain material finds, and are not a diferent category from the
If archaeology alone could prove existance of ethnic groups, we would
have found Prehistoric ethnicities by now. For example, there is no reason
to think that ethnic groups appeared in the southern Levant only since the
Late Bronze Age; but so far nobody manages to find which ethnic groups
existed, if they existed, in the Early Bronze Age.
University of Helsinki
2012/7/14 Miller, Robert <millerb@...>
> I agree in part. Material culture similarities, whatever their origin,[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> serve to stress, perpetuate, and define group identity and thus may form
> ethnicity. Thus "style" becomes a strategy for communication, the way in
> which artifacts are made does bear a message that indicates, often, shared
> cultural norms. Why not call that ethnicity? So might stylistic
> uniformity in the Iron I highlands evoke similar meanings among parties
> sharing broad ideological themes? Might the style uniformity be
> deliberately sought and maintained as a marker of "insiders and outsiders"?
> There are also other possible ways of talking about ethnicity. One is
> closed trading systems. If you can establish the rough boundaries of
> self-contained trading networks, you might again be seeing an "insiders vs.
> outsiders" situation.
> Bob Miller
> Catholic University
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> Peter Lemche [npl@...]
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> Raz is right. Archaeology can define a material culture but not an ethnic
> one. There need be no connection. Take some of the North-European Stone Age
> cultures like Ertebølle, and Maglemose, and you see a distribution of these
> material cultures that covers large areas where there presumably never was
> an ethnic unity.
> As to the last point, Fredrik Barth's old adage that you are the person
> you believe to be and the one other people think that you are. It is not
> enough that you believe to be a Dane or a Swede; if you are not accepted by
> your environment as Danish or Swedish, you have a serious problem.
> Niels Peter Lemche
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> Emne: Re: [ANE-2] Recognizing Iron Age Israelite Settlements
> Dear list members,
> Regarding pig bones, Archaeozoologists have warned that the "pig bones'
> criterion" is doubtful a long time ago:
> Harris 1996, "The Abominable Pig," *Community, Identity and Ideology.
> Social Science Approaches to the Hebrew Bible* (ed. E. Carter and C.L.
> Meyers; Winona Lake: Eisenbrauns), 135-51; and Hesse and Wapnish, "Can Pig
> Remains Be Used for Ethnic Diagnosis in the Ancient Near East?," in *The
> Archaeology of Israel* (ed. Silberman and Small), 238-70.
> About Iron Age ethnicities, I wrote a short summary, "Can a
> Proto-Israelite Please Stand Up? Notes on the Ethnicity of Iron Age Israel
> and Judah, in: *I will Speak the Riddle of Ancient Times. (Festschrift A.
> Mazar), *2006:
> Archaeology alone cannot prove existence of ethnic groups; only written
> sources can. For Iron I, due to almost complete lack of (contemporary)
> written sources, the question of Israelite ethnicity remains open. The Kh.
> Kaiapha finds do not prove that the inhabitants were Israelite, but one
> cannot also refute the possibility that they were.
> Raz Kletter,
> University of Helsinki
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