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1431Re: [ANE-2] SV: on the date of the Pentateuch

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  • gfsomsel@juno.com
    May 3 7:57 AM
      That was all, and Patroclus armed himself in Achilles' gleaming bronze. First he wrapped his legs in the well-made greaves, fastened behind the heels with silver ankle-clasps, next he strapped the breastplate round his chest, blazoned with stars�swift Achilles' own�then over his shoulder Patroclus slung the sword, the fine bronze blade with its silver-studded hilt, and then the shield-strap and the sturdy, massive shield and over his powerful head he set the well-forged helmet, the horsehair crest atop it tossing, bristling terror, and he took two rugged spears that fit his grip. And Achilles' only weapon Patroclus did not take was the great man's spear, weighted, heavy, tough. No other Achaean fighter could heft that shaft, only Achilles had the skill to wield it well: Pelian ash it was, a gift to his father Peleus prsented by Chiron once, hewn on Pelion's crest to be the death of heroes.
      The Trojans, soon as they saw Menoetius' gallant son, himself and his loyal driver flare in brazen gear�all their courage quaked, their columns buckled, thinking swift Achilles had tossed to the winds his hard rage that held him back by the ships and chosen friendship toward the Argives now. Each Trojan soldier glancing left and right�how could he run from sudden, plunging death?
      Iliad, ll., Book 16 155-173, 323-333 tr. Fagles

      <!--StartFragment--> 4 And there came out from the camp of the Philistines a champion named Goliath, of Gath, whose height was six cubits and a span. 5 He had a helmet of bronze on his head, and he was armed with a coat of mail, and the weight of the coat was five thousand shekels of bronze. 6 And he had greaves of bronze upon his legs, and a javelin of bronze slung between his shoulders. 7 And the shaft of his spear was like a weaver�s beam, and his spear�s head weighed six hundred shekels of iron; and his shield-bearer went before him.
      The Revised Standard Version. 1971 (1 Sa 17:4-7). Regardless of your dating of Homer and the Iliad, it is clear that it was some considerable time prior to Herodotus who maintained that he lived 400 years prior to himself (c. 450 B.C). Even if one were able to establish


      -- RUSSELLGMIRKIN@... wrote:

      Dear Aren Maeir,

      Regarding no. 2: As to the Philistines - speaking as someone who
      knows Philistine material culture, the hints (or direct references)
      to it in the biblical text can ONLY be appropriate in the Iron Age
      (the Philistines did not exist in the Persian period - or later).

      It seems to me (and others have noted this in print) that Goliath is
      unmistakably dressed in the armor of a Greek hoplite, complete with spear-carrier.

      Best regards,
      Russell Gmirkin

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