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  • Niels Peter Lemche
    May 15, 2012
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      sorry for this last mail. Shouldn't have been to the list. Straying far away from the purpose of the list.

      Niels Peter Lemche

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      Emne: SV: [ANE-2] Re: salvage archaeology

      Bad here in Sweden (espec. Malmö), but not so bad in Denmark. But in general, Israel has not been able to control the media here any more. Has to do with the large Muslim population segments all over.

      NP

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      Emne: SV: [ANE-2] Re: salvage archaeology

      NPL,
      I regularly am in contact, and collaborate and publish, with quite a few European archaeologists, both those who are connected closely with the archaeology of the ANE, as well as those working mainly in other periods and cultures, and have not come across any of the attitude that you speak of. I would believe this indicates only a lack of knowledge on the part of the Scandinavian archaeologists...

      Unfortunately, in general, I have the felling that there is a lot of negative generalizations about Israel in Scandinavia nowadays, not only in relationship to archaeology...

      Aren Maeir
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      > Dear Aren,
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      > Thank you for the clarification. The attitude up here has been that biblical archaeologists have a very limited idea of what is going on in textual studies but have simply been equating the biblical text with historical truth seeking for its confirmation in the ground. And it made no difference whether you spoke to Nordic archaeologists or archaeologist engaged in the classical or Oriental world. Many did not see into their own mind where national history also became a guideline. I guess that the reason has been that modern history appeared in combination with the new national states after the French revolution, and archaeology provided the illustrations of that history.
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      > The archaeologist we brought with us the last time I came with my students (in 2010) was very upset because of what he saw and listened to. He has never dug in Israel but in Jordan and Syria where the Danes have been quite active. He is also a specialist in Stone Age archeology.
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      > Why don't you arrange a conference between you people and some European archaeologists? That could help a lot. There need to be an exchange. I am in no doubt that you have a lot to contribute to such a discussion.
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      > By the way, I think that I heard that Garfinkel's special area is not the Iron Age but much earlier. It may explain why he made those mistakes.
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      > Further, BAR has a quote supposingly by me of saying that biblical archaeologists are low life. Well, it was a summary of a discussion found in Oestigaard, and not anything I endorsed. But I believe that Shanks did not understand the context.
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      > All the best
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      > Niels Peter Lemche
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      > NPL,
      > I apologize for my tone as well, but sometimes a load shout is needed to quiet a crowd...
      > The fact that there may be archaeologists in Scandinavia that have a misconceptions about what biblical archaeology is, still does not give license make generalizations about the field.
      > I as well don't agree with much of what Yossi Garfinkel has written about Qeiyafa, but definitely do agree with some of what he writes. I don't think that Yossi defines what biblical archaeology is today. In fact, more than anything else, the stuff that he touted last week is a part of this field that is fortunately, rapidly disappearing. There is a lot of excellent, first rate work going on in the field, which many (and perhaps you as well) seem not to be aware of, perhaps since a lot is published in purely archaeological professional forums.
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      > Aren Maeir
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