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12519Re: [ANE-2] Re: The World of Achaemenid Persia

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  • George F Somsel
    May 28, 2010
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      If you are referencing the classes of objects which you mention as indicating "the way of life described in the Arsames letters" then surely this would not be different for virtually any society of the time or, for that matter, even today if one substitutes modern equivalents.

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      From: Lisbeth S. Fried <lizfried@...>
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Fri, May 28, 2010 9:58:54 AM
      Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Re: The World of Achaemenid Persia

      Dear Trudy,

      You're points are well taken.

      Dear Clark,

      I'd also like to point out that the letters from Bactria describe a way of
      life consistent with the way of life described in the Arsames letters and
      the Elephantine papyri, in the Achaemenid period. They testify to the
      existence of pottery, weapons, buildings, wagons, i.e., a normal life during
      the reign of Artaxerxes (III), even if we can't identify these objects

      As for the chronology of the kings, these are available from their own
      inscriptions. If you think that the Achaemenid kings are really the Assyrian
      or Babylonian kings, then I suggest reading the Babylonian Chronicles and
      the Nabonidus inscriptions which testify to the fact that the Persians
      conquered Babylon and replaced the Babylonian kings with their own, the
      Cyrus Cylinder, as well as the Behistun inscription, etc. The Achaemenid
      kings are not the Assyrian kings with different names (in spite of Ezra

      All the best,

      Shabbat shalom.



      From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
      Trudy Kawami
      Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:16 PM
      To: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: [ANE-2] Re: The World of Achaemenid Persia

      A number of political factors can influence the amount of modern
      information we have from an area. Extensive post-WW II archaeological
      work in Turkey, Iraq & Iran was facilitated by positive relations
      between the governments of those countries and European & American
      governments. The Soviet Union actively discouraged non-soviet research
      in Central Asia. Thus we have lots of information from some regions &
      virtually none from others. In addition there were border regions that
      none of the countries wanted "explored" for any reason. The fall of the
      Soviet Union opened up Central Asia & its Alexander-conquered (or
      visited) regions. But before long the turmoil in Afghanistan, the
      post-9/11 security concerns, and the Great Recession have all effected
      the extent of research & publication.

      In addition, "Alexander's Asia" was rich because it was a trans-shipment
      juncture between Han China, South Asia & the West (whatever that can
      mean). It was not necessarily a production center. No one questions the
      reality of the Silk Route, but there is no roadsign saying "Xinjiang
      Next Exit." Not all cultures were sedentary & urban & Mesopotamia is
      not a model that fits all.

      Trudy Kawami


      From: ANE-2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com>
      [mailto:ANE-2@yahoogroups.com <mailto:ANE-2%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
      Clark Whelton
      Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:05 PM
      To: ANE2
      Subject: RE: [ANE-2] Re: The World of Achaemenid Persia: History, Art
      and Society in Iran and the Ancient Near East

      Liz Fried wrote:
      >>>>>>>>>I don't know what you consider to be "material evidence."

      Evidence of material culture, such as pottery, weapons, graves, grave
      goods, temples, cultic objects, foundation stones, roads, palaces,
      gates, commercial infrastructure, etc.

      It must have been a very rich prize that lured Alexander so far east. I
      ask about material culture because I find it hard to accept that there
      is so little evidence of the people who lived and worked in the Persian
      satrapy along the Indus. Now I'm wondering what we know about the
      material culture of Bactria.

      Clark Whelton
      New York


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