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  • william f smith
    I want to wish everyone a happy and safe Independence Day. This is the Birthday of our Great nation. It is more than just picnics and fireworks
    Message 1 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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      I want to wish everyone a
      happy and safe Independence
      Day. This is the Birthday
      of our Great nation. It is
      more than just picnics and
      fireworks and beer. It is a
      day to reflect on what it
      means to live in a free
      country where we have more
      than most of the rest of the
      world and can worship or
      not worship God as we see
      fit.

      Below is a letter that I
      sent out to all those
      veterans I write to in
      prisons, hospitals etc. I
      want to say thank you to
      everyone who has ever
      served in the military of
      our country.







      WILLIAM F SMITH

      PO BOX 113

      HODGEN OK 74939

      4 July 2009



      I send you my greetings
      this 4th of July weekend.
      May God bless America and
      all of our service people
      present and past. I know
      that anymore Independence
      Day, July 4th, has become
      just another excuse to party
      just as Veteran's day and
      Memorial Day has. We have
      lost the sense of patriotism
      somehow in America. I
      sometimes wonder if the
      United States of America
      will even still be here
      when my grandsons are as
      old as I am now. We have
      diluted the sense of being
      American with all these
      other names such as native
      Americans, African American,
      Mexican American, etc. If we
      are a Citizen of the United
      States, no matter our color,
      etc, We are Americans!
      Color, race etc has nothing
      to do with it. What affects
      our country affects us all.



      We are also all God's
      creations, no matter what we
      call God in our particular
      form of worship. God created
      man equal and he Loves us all
      equal. He does not see us as
      black, white, brown, yellow or
      red. That is labels men have
      created. Just as religious
      labels are men's creation.



      I hope that you had a good
      Independence Day, since you
      won't get this before
      then. We plan little here
      since we are gearing up for
      the 588th Maintenance Company
      Association reunion 16-19
      July in Leesburg VA. I am
      attempting to get caught up
      on my writings before I
      leave. I realize that I owe
      a number of people letters
      and this newsletter thing
      is not to replace those
      personal letters I must write
      later, but to let you know
      what is going on at this
      end.



      I have been busy with the
      yard work for myself and a
      neighbor who's yard I take
      care of. And of course as
      those things goes my lawn
      tractor/mower has been
      acting up. It is 10 years
      old. You would think it is
      not worn out. J I have also
      had to do some cleaning
      brush and weeds from an area
      of the road right of
      way/drainage ditch. The only
      way to get rid of Hedge and
      small cedar trees is to tie
      them to the tractor bucket
      and pull them up. I have
      a little 28 HP tractor
      with a front bucket. It
      works well for that sort of
      thing.



      A few weeks ago I sent some
      guys pictures of Tom
      Gladson's great Harley
      eagles in wood. A couple of
      people wanted to contact
      Tom. I have forgot who
      now. I have got to the
      point that if I do not write
      things down I forget.





      Tom does really great work.
      I plan to buy one of these
      eagles from him



      I also want to say that I
      got a great letter from
      Bother Howard at Powledge
      unit in TX. It said do not
      write to me at this address
      anymore. I will write from
      HOME when I get situated.
      Brother Howard is a 76 year
      old Nam brother so pray
      that things goes well for
      him in his new freedom.
      He is another woodworker
      with a specialty for wooden
      pens and such, turned on a
      mini lathe.



      People see my simple
      little wood projects and
      say things about wishing
      they knew how to do that
      stuff. Well, woodworking
      is mostly patience and
      being able to read a plan
      or look at a photo and
      envision what needs to be
      done to produce the
      article. And of course some
      skill in handling tools.
      Most of what I do looks
      amateurish compared to Tom's
      and Howard's work. I have
      written to both for several
      years and regard them as
      brothers in arms.



      One of the newer pen pal is
      an artist with markers,
      colored pencils and such.
      He has sent me some of
      his items and they are
      great. Fast Eddie draws
      cartoon characters and
      lots of other things. He
      did a few on handkerchiefs
      for me which are really
      good. Others have sent me
      good art work or craft
      items. And I appreciate all
      the things but do not
      expect guys to do that for
      me.



      I know some guys have
      contacted me about selling
      their craft items for them
      since I do some flea
      marketing. I don't mind
      trying to sell a few items
      now and then but if
      something does not sell, I
      can't buy it myself usually
      and I cannot send things
      back as most systems don't
      allow packages in. if I
      sell items for someone, I
      want them to understand that
      things will not always sell
      and if not I can't send
      them back unless there is
      a free world home address. I
      would never want to just
      keep things.



      I try to keep a note book
      about the people I write
      to, addresses and pictures
      and where they were in the
      military and such. I
      appreciate all the photos
      people have sent me over
      time. Six of the brothers I
      wrote to years ago are not
      with us anymore. One was
      executed. Four died in
      prison, three of those as they
      neared discharge. And the
      only Nam brother, ex-con pen
      pal to ever visit me
      passed on a year or so after
      release.



      Probably the saddest case
      was Manny Babbitt, a Khe Sahn
      marine brother who had PTSD
      and just could never fit
      back into society. He was
      convicted of murder in CA
      and the state eventually
      executed him. I still have
      the last letter from this
      brother saying that if
      they had to kill him, he was
      ready. He had made his peace
      with God.



      In Recent months I
      have heard from many
      people in prisons etc
      around the country. Sadly
      some are not actually
      veterans but claim to be
      so. I would prefer to
      just know up front that a
      person is not a veteran. I
      write to some non veterans
      It is just that Nam veterans
      are my first concern. A
      young man recently told he
      was not a veteran, though he
      did serve in the military
      during "peace tine" Well, he
      is not a Nam vet, but that don't
      mean I will stop writing to
      him. At least he did not
      lie to me and try to make me
      think he is something he is
      not. Yea there are folks
      out there who have never
      accomplished anything in life
      and simply have to make
      up stuff to make themselves
      look important. That is sad.



      All these guys claim to be
      Seals or SF or helicopter
      pilots or other special
      ops. You never hear about
      the support guys. These
      "field" troops all look
      down on the REMFs Well as
      a trucker, I will say this,
      the army had a purpose for
      us all in Nam and without
      the supply and
      transportation people and
      all the clerks, the combat
      units would not have had
      all the things they needed
      to function. We were all on
      the same team. And we are
      all still on the same team!
      We have to care about each
      other because dang few
      others care about us old
      veterans.







      Here is something someone
      sent me that is so true





      You
      might be a redneck if: It
      never occurred to you to be
      offended by the phrase, 'One
      nation, under God.'

      You
      might be a redneck if: You've
      never protested about seeing
      the 10 Commandments posted in
      public places.

      You
      might be a redneck if: You
      still say ' Christmas' instead
      of 'Winter Festival.'

      You
      might be a redneck if: You bow
      your head when someone prays.

      You
      might be a redneck if: You
      stand and place your hand over
      your heart when they play the
      National Anthem.

      You
      might be a redneck if: You
      treat our armed forces
      veterans with great respect,
      and always have.

      You
      might be a redneck if: You've
      never burned an American flag,
      nor intend to

      You
      might be a redneck if: You
      know what you believe and you
      aren't afraid to say so, no
      matter who is listening.

      You
      might be a redneck if: You
      respect your elders and raised
      your kids to do the same.
      You
      might be a redneck if: You'd
      give your last dollar to a
      friend.








      People ask me how can I
      visit and write to men in
      prisons, some for some
      pretty terrible things. It
      is something I felt lead
      by God to do. I am not a
      preacher or overly
      religious, some folks
      consider me a heathen, I
      feel that I am doing what I
      need to be doing. If my
      feeble efforts help one person
      out there then it is all
      worth it. The whole purpose is
      to just offer friendship and a
      friendly non judgmental ear.
      My advice may not be worth
      anything though.

      I will be writing
      individual letters to
      everyone very soon now
      but just wanted to get this
      out to all so you would know
      that I am still alive and
      kicking. Take care and
      may God bless and keep you
      safe. Write when you can.

      Peace,

      William



      This was taken a some time
      ago
    • James Turner
      Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator! Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971
      Message 2 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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        Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!
         
        Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971
         
         
      • jack cull
        same to you Jim ... From: James Turner Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 4,
        Message 3 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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          same to you Jim

          --- On Sat, 7/4/09, James Turner <jturner1@...> wrote:

          From: James Turner <jturner1@...>
          Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
          To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:13 PM

          Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!
           
          Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971
           
           

        • Matthew Ginn
          Indeed -- best 4th of July to all.
          Message 4 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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            Indeed -- best 4th of July to all.
             
             
            On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 3:45 AM, jack cull <jackcull@...> wrote:


            same to you Jim

            --- On Sat, 7/4/09, James Turner <jturner1@...> wrote:

            From: James Turner <jturner1@...>
            Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
            To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 12:13 PM


            Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!
             
            Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971
             
             


          • Jeff KB2M
            You also have a happy 4th Jim. Jeff From: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com [mailto:8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Turner Sent: Saturday, July 04,
            Message 5 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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              You also have a happy 4th Jim.

               

              Jeff

               

               

              From: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com [mailto:8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of James Turner
              Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:14 PM
              To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July

               




              Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!

               

              Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971

               

               

            • Bill
              Happy Independence Day everyone... God Bless America and all who serve Her. Bill In Ohio  .../........ ... From: Jeff KB2M Subject: RE:
              Message 6 of 16 , Jul 4, 2009
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                Happy Independence Day everyone...

                God Bless America and all who serve Her.

                Bill In Ohio  .../........


                --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Jeff KB2M <kb2m@...> wrote:

                From: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@...>
                Subject: RE: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
                To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 9:05 PM

                You also have a happy 4th Jim.

                 

                Jeff

                 

                 

                From: 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:8thdivmoder n@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of James Turner
                Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:14 PM
                To: 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com
                Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July

                 




                Happy 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!

                 

                Jim Turner 3/68 Armor 1969-1971

                 

                 

              • Jerry Abcd
                Thank you for the great email! Happy 4th of July to you and yours also. Take care and be well! Jerry (Oregon) ... From: william f smith
                Message 7 of 16 , Jul 5, 2009
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                  Thank you for the great email! Happy 4th of July to you and yours also.
                  Take care and be well!
                  Jerry (Oregon)

                  --- On Sat, 7/4/09, william f smith <smids37@...> wrote:

                  From: william f smith <smids37@...>
                  Subject: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
                  To: 588thmaintco@yahoogroups.com
                  Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 4:51 PM



                  I want to wish everyone a
                  happy and safe Independence
                  Day. This is the Birthday
                  of our Great nation. It is
                  more than just picnics and
                  fireworks and beer. It is a
                  day to reflect on what it
                  means to live in a free
                  country where we have more
                  than most of the rest of the
                  world and can worship or
                  not worship God as we see
                  fit.

                  Below is a letter that I
                  sent out to all those
                  veterans I write to in
                  prisons, hospitals etc. I
                  want to say thank you to
                  everyone who has ever
                  served in the military of
                  our country.

                  WILLIAM F SMITH

                  PO BOX 113

                  HODGEN OK 74939

                  4 July 2009

                  I send you my greetings
                  this 4th of July weekend.
                  May God bless America and
                  all of our service people
                  present and past. I know
                  that anymore Independence
                  Day, July 4th, has become
                  just another excuse to party
                  just as Veteran's day and
                  Memorial Day has. We have
                  lost the sense of patriotism
                  somehow in America. I
                  sometimes wonder if the
                  United States of America
                  will even still be here
                  when my grandsons are as
                  old as I am now. We have
                  diluted the sense of being
                  American with all these
                  other names such as native
                  Americans, African American,
                  Mexican American, etc. If we
                  are a Citizen of the United
                  States, no matter our color,
                  etc, We are Americans!
                  Color, race etc has nothing
                  to do with it. What affects
                  our country affects us all.

                  We are also all God's
                  creations, no matter what we
                  call God in our particular
                  form of worship. God created
                  man equal and he Loves us all
                  equal. He does not see us as
                  black, white, brown, yellow or
                  red. That is labels men have
                  created. Just as religious
                  labels are men's creation.

                  I hope that you had a good
                  Independence Day, since you
                  won't get this before
                  then. We plan little here
                  since we are gearing up for
                  the 588th Maintenance Company
                  Association reunion 16-19
                  July in Leesburg VA. I am
                  attempting to get caught up
                  on my writings before I
                  leave. I realize that I owe
                  a number of people letters
                  and this newsletter thing
                  is not to replace those
                  personal letters I must write
                  later, but to let you know
                  what is going on at this
                  end.

                  I have been busy with the
                  yard work for myself and a
                  neighbor who's yard I take
                  care of. And of course as
                  those things goes my lawn
                  tractor/mower has been
                  acting up. It is 10 years
                  old. You would think it is
                  not worn out. J I have also
                  had to do some cleaning
                  brush and weeds from an area
                  of the road right of
                  way/drainage ditch. The only
                  way to get rid of Hedge and
                  small cedar trees is to tie
                  them to the tractor bucket
                  and pull them up. I have
                  a little 28 HP tractor
                  with a front bucket. It
                  works well for that sort of
                  thing.

                  A few weeks ago I sent some
                  guys pictures of Tom
                  Gladson's great Harley
                  eagles in wood. A couple of
                  people wanted to contact
                  Tom. I have forgot who
                  now. I have got to the
                  point that if I do not write
                  things down I forget.

                  Tom does really great work.
                  I plan to buy one of these
                  eagles from him

                  I also want to say that I
                  got a great letter from
                  Bother Howard at Powledge
                  unit in TX. It said do not
                  write to me at this address
                  anymore. I will write from
                  HOME when I get situated.
                  Brother Howard is a 76 year
                  old Nam brother so pray
                  that things goes well for
                  him in his new freedom.
                  He is another woodworker
                  with a specialty for wooden
                  pens and such, turned on a
                  mini lathe.

                  People see my simple
                  little wood projects and
                  say things about wishing
                  they knew how to do that
                  stuff. Well, woodworking
                  is mostly patience and
                  being able to read a plan
                  or look at a photo and
                  envision what needs to be
                  done to produce the
                  article. And of course some
                  skill in handling tools.
                  Most of what I do looks
                  amateurish compared to Tom's
                  and Howard's work. I have
                  written to both for several
                  years and regard them as
                  brothers in arms.

                  One of the newer pen pal is
                  an artist with markers,
                  colored pencils and such.
                  He has sent me some of
                  his items and they are
                  great. Fast Eddie draws
                  cartoon characters and
                  lots of other things. He
                  did a few on handkerchiefs
                  for me which are really
                  good. Others have sent me
                  good art work or craft
                  items. And I appreciate all
                  the things but do not
                  expect guys to do that for
                  me.

                  I know some guys have
                  contacted me about selling
                  their craft items for them
                  since I do some flea
                  marketing. I don't mind
                  trying to sell a few items
                  now and then but if
                  something does not sell, I
                  can't buy it myself usually
                  and I cannot send things
                  back as most systems don't
                  allow packages in. if I
                  sell items for someone, I
                  want them to understand that
                  things will not always sell
                  and if not I can't send
                  them back unless there is
                  a free world home address. I
                  would never want to just
                  keep things.

                  I try to keep a note book
                  about the people I write
                  to, addresses and pictures
                  and where they were in the
                  military and such. I
                  appreciate all the photos
                  people have sent me over
                  time. Six of the brothers I
                  wrote to years ago are not
                  with us anymore. One was
                  executed. Four died in
                  prison, three of those as they
                  neared discharge. And the
                  only Nam brother, ex-con pen
                  pal to ever visit me
                  passed on a year or so after
                  release.

                  Probably the saddest case
                  was Manny Babbitt, a Khe Sahn
                  marine brother who had PTSD
                  and just could never fit
                  back into society. He was
                  convicted of murder in CA
                  and the state eventually
                  executed him. I still have
                  the last letter from this
                  brother saying that if
                  they had to kill him, he was
                  ready. He had made his peace
                  with God.

                  In Recent months I
                  have heard from many
                  people in prisons etc
                  around the country. Sadly
                  some are not actually
                  veterans but claim to be
                  so. I would prefer to
                  just know up front that a
                  person is not a veteran. I
                  write to some non veterans
                  It is just that Nam veterans
                  are my first concern. A
                  young man recently told he
                  was not a veteran, though he
                  did serve in the military
                  during "peace tine" Well, he
                  is not a Nam vet, but that don't
                  mean I will stop writing to
                  him. At least he did not
                  lie to me and try to make me
                  think he is something he is
                  not. Yea there are folks
                  out there who have never
                  accomplished anything in life
                  and simply have to make
                  up stuff to make themselves
                  look important. That is sad.

                  All these guys claim to be
                  Seals or SF or helicopter
                  pilots or other special
                  ops. You never hear about
                  the support guys. These
                  "field" troops all look
                  down on the REMFs Well as
                  a trucker, I will say this,
                  the army had a purpose for
                  us all in Nam and without
                  the supply and
                  transportation people and
                  all the clerks, the combat
                  units would not have had
                  all the things they needed
                  to function. We were all on
                  the same team. And we are
                  all still on the same team!
                  We have to care about each
                  other because dang few
                  others care about us old
                  veterans.

                  Here is something someone
                  sent me that is so true

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: It
                  never occurred to you to be
                  offended by the phrase, 'One
                  nation, under God.'

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You've
                  never protested about seeing
                  the 10 Commandments posted in
                  public places.

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You
                  still say ' Christmas' instead
                  of 'Winter Festival.'

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You bow
                  your head when someone prays.

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You
                  stand and place your hand over
                  your heart when they play the
                  National Anthem.

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You
                  treat our armed forces
                  veterans with great respect,
                  and always have.

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You've
                  never burned an American flag,
                  nor intend to

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You
                  know what you believe and you
                  aren't afraid to say so, no
                  matter who is listening.

                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You
                  respect your elders and raised
                  your kids to do the same.
                  You
                  might be a redneck if: You'd
                  give your last dollar to a
                  friend.

                  People ask me how can I
                  visit and write to men in
                  prisons, some for some
                  pretty terrible things. It
                  is something I felt lead
                  by God to do. I am not a
                  preacher or overly
                  religious, some folks
                  consider me a heathen, I
                  feel that I am doing what I
                  need to be doing. If my
                  feeble efforts help one person
                  out there then it is all
                  worth it. The whole purpose is
                  to just offer friendship and a
                  friendly non judgmental ear.
                  My advice may not be worth
                  anything though.

                  I will be writing
                  individual letters to
                  everyone very soon now
                  but just wanted to get this
                  out to all so you would know
                  that I am still alive and
                  kicking. Take care and
                  may God bless and keep you
                  safe. Write when you can.

                  Peace,

                  William

                  This was taken a some time
                  ago

                • william f smith
                  Thanks Jerry. Most of the neighborhood survived the bottle rocket wars last night I just hope they all ran out of fireworks so not a repeat
                  Message 8 of 16 , Jul 5, 2009
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                    Thanks  Jerry.  Most of the  neighborhood  survived  the  bottle rocket  wars  last night I  just hope  they all ran out of  fireworks  so not a repeat tonight. 
                     
                    Hope  yu had a good one.  Take  care Brother
                    Smitty
                    2/68 Armor 72-74
                    Baumholder
                    ----- Original Message -----
                    Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 1:00 PM
                    Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July

                    Thank you for the great email! Happy 4th of July to you and yours also.
                    Take care and be well!
                    Jerry (Oregon)

                    --- On Sat, 7/4/09, william f smith <smids37@windstream. net> wrote:

                    From: william f smith <smids37@windstream. net>
                    Subject: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
                    To: 588thmaintco@ yahoogroups. com
                    Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 4:51 PM



                    I want to wish everyone a
                    happy and safe Independence
                    Day. This is the Birthday
                    of our Great nation. It is
                    more than just picnics and
                    fireworks and beer. It is a
                    day to reflect on what it
                    means to live in a free
                    country where we have more
                    than most of the rest of the
                    world and can worship or
                    not worship God as we see
                    fit.

                    Below is a letter that I
                    sent out to all those
                    veterans I write to in
                    prisons, hospitals etc. I
                    want to say thank you to
                    everyone who has ever
                    served in the military of
                    our country.

                    WILLIAM F SMITH

                    PO BOX 113

                    HODGEN OK 74939

                    4 July 2009

                    I send you my greetings
                    this 4th of July weekend.
                    May God bless America and
                    all of our service people
                    present and past. I know
                    that anymore Independence
                    Day, July 4th, has become
                    just another excuse to party
                    just as Veteran's day and
                    Memorial Day has. We have
                    lost the sense of patriotism
                    somehow in America. I
                    sometimes wonder if the
                    United States of America
                    will even still be here
                    when my grandsons are as
                    old as I am now. We have
                    diluted the sense of being
                    American with all these
                    other names such as native
                    Americans, African American,
                    Mexican American, etc. If we
                    are a Citizen of the United
                    States, no matter our color,
                    etc, We are Americans!
                    Color, race etc has nothing
                    to do with it. What affects
                    our country affects us all.

                    We are also all God's
                    creations, no matter what we
                    call God in our particular
                    form of worship. God created
                    man equal and he Loves us all
                    equal. He does not see us as
                    black, white, brown, yellow or
                    red. That is labels men have
                    created. Just as religious
                    labels are men's creation.

                    I hope that you had a good
                    Independence Day, since you
                    won't get this before
                    then. We plan little here
                    since we are gearing up for
                    the 588th Maintenance Company
                    Association reunion 16-19
                    July in Leesburg VA. I am
                    attempting to get caught up
                    on my writings before I
                    leave. I realize that I owe
                    a number of people letters
                    and this newsletter thing
                    is not to replace those
                    personal letters I must write
                    later, but to let you know
                    what is going on at this
                    end.

                    I have been busy with the
                    yard work for myself and a
                    neighbor who's yard I take
                    care of. And of course as
                    those things goes my lawn
                    tractor/mower has been
                    acting up. It is 10 years
                    old. You would think it is
                    not worn out. J I have also
                    had to do some cleaning
                    brush and weeds from an area
                    of the road right of
                    way/drainage ditch. The only
                    way to get rid of Hedge and
                    small cedar trees is to tie
                    them to the tractor bucket
                    and pull them up. I have
                    a little 28 HP tractor
                    with a front bucket. It
                    works well for that sort of
                    thing.

                    A few weeks ago I sent some
                    guys pictures of Tom
                    Gladson's great Harley
                    eagles in wood. A couple of
                    people wanted to contact
                    Tom. I have forgot who
                    now. I have got to the
                    point that if I do not write
                    things down I forget.

                    Tom does really great work.
                    I plan to buy one of these
                    eagles from him

                    I also want to say that I
                    got a great letter from
                    Bother Howard at Powledge
                    unit in TX. It said do not
                    write to me at this address
                    anymore. I will write from
                    HOME when I get situated.
                    Brother Howard is a 76 year
                    old Nam brother so pray
                    that things goes well for
                    him in his new freedom.
                    He is another woodworker
                    with a specialty for wooden
                    pens and such, turned on a
                    mini lathe.

                    People see my simple
                    little wood projects and
                    say things about wishing
                    they knew how to do that
                    stuff. Well, woodworking
                    is mostly patience and
                    being able to read a plan
                    or look at a photo and
                    envision what needs to be
                    done to produce the
                    article. And of course some
                    skill in handling tools.
                    Most of what I do looks
                    amateurish compared to Tom's
                    and Howard's work. I have
                    written to both for several
                    years and regard them as
                    brothers in arms.

                    One of the newer pen pal is
                    an artist with markers,
                    colored pencils and such.
                    He has sent me some of
                    his items and they are
                    great. Fast Eddie draws
                    cartoon characters and
                    lots of other things. He
                    did a few on handkerchiefs
                    for me which are really
                    good. Others have sent me
                    good art work or craft
                    items. And I appreciate all
                    the things but do not
                    expect guys to do that for
                    me.

                    I know some guys have
                    contacted me about selling
                    their craft items for them
                    since I do some flea
                    marketing. I don't mind
                    trying to sell a few items
                    now and then but if
                    something does not sell, I
                    can't buy it myself usually
                    and I cannot send things
                    back as most systems don't
                    allow packages in. if I
                    sell items for someone, I
                    want them to understand that
                    things will not always sell
                    and if not I can't send
                    them back unless there is
                    a free world home address. I
                    would never want to just
                    keep things.

                    I try to keep a note book
                    about the people I write
                    to, addresses and pictures
                    and where they were in the
                    military and such. I
                    appreciate all the photos
                    people have sent me over
                    time. Six of the brothers I
                    wrote to years ago are not
                    with us anymore. One was
                    executed. Four died in
                    prison, three of those as they
                    neared discharge. And the
                    only Nam brother, ex-con pen
                    pal to ever visit me
                    passed on a year or so after
                    release.

                    Probably the saddest case
                    was Manny Babbitt, a Khe Sahn
                    marine brother who had PTSD
                    and just could never fit
                    back into society. He was
                    convicted of murder in CA
                    and the state eventually
                    executed him. I still have
                    the last letter from this
                    brother saying that if
                    they had to kill him, he was
                    ready. He had made his peace
                    with God.

                    In Recent months I
                    have heard from many
                    people in prisons etc
                    around the country. Sadly
                    some are not actually
                    veterans but claim to be
                    so. I would prefer to
                    just know up front that a
                    person is not a veteran. I
                    write to some non veterans
                    It is just that Nam veterans
                    are my first concern. A
                    young man recently told he
                    was not a veteran, though he
                    did serve in the military
                    during "peace tine" Well, he
                    is not a Nam vet, but that don't
                    mean I will stop writing to
                    him. At least he did not
                    lie to me and try to make me
                    think he is something he is
                    not. Yea there are folks
                    out there who have never
                    accomplished anything in life
                    and simply have to make
                    up stuff to make themselves
                    look important. That is sad.

                    All these guys claim to be
                    Seals or SF or helicopter
                    pilots or other special
                    ops. You never hear about
                    the support guys. These
                    "field" troops all look
                    down on the REMFs Well as
                    a trucker, I will say this,
                    the army had a purpose for
                    us all in Nam and without
                    the supply and
                    transportation people and
                    all the clerks, the combat
                    units would not have had
                    all the things they needed
                    to function. We were all on
                    the same team. And we are
                    all still on the same team!
                    We have to care about each
                    other because dang few
                    others care about us old
                    veterans.

                    Here is something someone
                    sent me that is so true

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: It
                    never occurred to you to be
                    offended by the phrase, 'One
                    nation, under God.'

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You've
                    never protested about seeing
                    the 10 Commandments posted in
                    public places.

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You
                    still say ' Christmas' instead
                    of 'Winter Festival.'

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You bow
                    your head when someone prays.

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You
                    stand and place your hand over
                    your heart when they play the
                    National Anthem.

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You
                    treat our armed forces
                    veterans with great respect,
                    and always have.

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You've
                    never burned an American flag,
                    nor intend to

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You
                    know what you believe and you
                    aren't afraid to say so, no
                    matter who is listening.

                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You
                    respect your elders and raised
                    your kids to do the same.
                    You
                    might be a redneck if: You'd
                    give your last dollar to a
                    friend.

                    People ask me how can I
                    visit and write to men in
                    prisons, some for some
                    pretty terrible things. It
                    is something I felt lead
                    by God to do. I am not a
                    preacher or overly
                    religious, some folks
                    consider me a heathen, I
                    feel that I am doing what I
                    need to be doing. If my
                    feeble efforts help one person
                    out there then it is all
                    worth it. The whole purpose is
                    to just offer friendship and a
                    friendly non judgmental ear.
                    My advice may not be worth
                    anything though.

                    I will be writing
                    individual letters to
                    everyone very soon now
                    but just wanted to get this
                    out to all so you would know
                    that I am still alive and
                    kicking. Take care and
                    may God bless and keep you
                    safe. Write when you can.

                    Peace,

                    William

                    This was taken a some time
                    ago

                  • dmp_1959
                    Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn t get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day
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                      Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the strasse's. Well I'll close for now Take care and when I have the time I will get out

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                      • bobby browning
                        I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the
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                          I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the door.  I was the Training Clerk and worked in this building from January 1971 till February 1972.  I have an anniversary tommorrow.  39 ears ago I went in the Army.  I was drafted  July 24, 1970  Forty rounds

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                          > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the strasse's. Well I'll close for now Take care and when I have the time I will get out
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                        • Jeff Murphy
                          A big THANKS from me as well for those pics. Was in B 2/13th. The buildings sure look different now. FORTY ROUNDS !!!
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                            A big THANKS from me as well for those pics. Was in B 2/13th.
                            The buildings sure look different now.

                            FORTY ROUNDS !!!

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                            > > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the
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                          • Jeff Murphy
                            I looked again at those new photos of 2/13th Inf area. Just realized if you click on original view, the photos are very large and detailed. Very cool to see
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                              I looked again at those new photos of 2/13th Inf area.

                              Just realized if you click on "original" view, the photos are very large and detailed. Very cool to see the old cracked sidewalk where we used to stand in formation every day. One thing I just noticed is the lack of trees. There used to be a few large trees in the area. B Co. had one right in front of our orderly room. Awesome pictures.

                              Post some more !!!

                              Murph
                              B 2/13 81-83


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                              > > I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the door.  I was the Training Clerk and worked in this building from January 1971 till February 1972.  I have an anniversary tommorrow.  39 ears ago I went in the Army.  I was drafted  July 24, 1970  Forty rounds
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                              > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bill <bfort@> wrote:
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                              > > From: Bill <bfort@>
                              > > Subject: [8thdivmodern] Re: 4th of July
                              > > To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:49 PM
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                              > > Thanks! I used to be in A co 2/13 as well.--- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, "dmp_1959" <dmp_1959@ .> wrote:
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                              > > > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the
                              > > strasse's. Well I'll close for now Take care and when I have the time I will get out
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                              > > > for more pictures I am trying to get to Baumholder soon. God Bless --- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, Bill <daytonohio@ > wrote:
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                              > > > > Happy Independence Day everyone...
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                              > > > > God Bless America and all who serve Her.
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                              > > > > Subject: RE: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
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                              > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:14 PM
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                            • Bill
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                                I used to park my jeep out in front of the A company orderly room when we were packing up for an alert in the early 70s. Seems nicer now.--- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@...> wrote:
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                                > I looked again at those new photos of 2/13th Inf area.
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                                > Just realized if you click on "original" view, the photos are very large and detailed. Very cool to see the old cracked sidewalk where we used to stand in formation every day. One thing I just noticed is the lack of trees. There used to be a few large trees in the area. B Co. had one right in front of our orderly room. Awesome pictures.
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                                > Post some more !!!
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                                > Murph
                                > B 2/13 81-83
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                                > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@> wrote:
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                                > > A big THANKS from me as well for those pics. Was in B 2/13th.
                                > > The buildings sure look different now.
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                                > > FORTY ROUNDS !!!
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                                > > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, bobby browning <bobnc49@> wrote:
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                                > > > I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the door.  I was the Training Clerk and worked in this building from January 1971 till February 1972.  I have an anniversary tommorrow.  39 ears ago I went in the Army.  I was drafted  July 24, 1970  Forty rounds
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                                > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bill <bfort@> wrote:
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                                > > > From: Bill <bfort@>
                                > > > Subject: [8thdivmodern] Re: 4th of July
                                > > > To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
                                > > > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:49 PM
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                                > > > Thanks! I used to be in A co 2/13 as well.--- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, "dmp_1959" <dmp_1959@ .> wrote:
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                                > > > > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the
                                > > > strasse's. Well I'll close for now Take care and when I have the time I will get out
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                                > > > > for more pictures I am trying to get to Baumholder soon. God Bless --- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, Bill <daytonohio@ > wrote:
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                                > > > > > Happy Independence Day everyone...
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > God Bless America and all who serve Her.
                                > > > > >
                                > > > > > Bill In Ohio  .../........
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                                > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Jeff KB2M <kb2m@> wrote:
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                                > > > > > From: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@>
                                > > > > > Subject: RE: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
                                > > > > > To: 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com
                                > > > > > Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 9:05 PM
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                              • dmp_1959
                                Well I have a bit of news about Coleman the old 2/13 inf and 3/8 cav buildings have been condemned and will be torn down. I don t know when this will happen
                                Message 15 of 16 , Aug 7, 2009
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                                  Well I have a bit of news about Coleman the old 2/13 inf and 3/8 cav buildings have been condemned and will be torn down. I don't know when this will happen but I was talking to a guy that works on Coleman and he said the old mess hall just about fell down on it's own and C co 2/13 building not sure what one but the floor droped about 6 inches over night when they still had troops in them. The guy said they are talking about putting some houseing in there for the guys that are posted there. I didn't see it at the time but the A co building did have a sigh on it it's even in one of the pic's but I didn't pay it any mind after looking at it when I was there yesterday it does say CONDEMNED. Now the funny thing is the guy said they just painted them a year or so ago go figure right. I will find out what I can and keep you all updated. I am still trying to get the ok for Baumholder and Graf but for some reason they are giving me the run around on letting me on post to take pictures. I'll also keep drinking the white wine and cokes for you all lol
                                  40 ROUNDS

                                  --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bfort@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > I used to park my jeep out in front of the A company orderly room when we were packing up for an alert in the early 70s. Seems nicer now.--- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > I looked again at those new photos of 2/13th Inf area.
                                  > >
                                  > > Just realized if you click on "original" view, the photos are very large and detailed. Very cool to see the old cracked sidewalk where we used to stand in formation every day. One thing I just noticed is the lack of trees. There used to be a few large trees in the area. B Co. had one right in front of our orderly room. Awesome pictures.
                                  > >
                                  > > Post some more !!!
                                  > >
                                  > > Murph
                                  > > B 2/13 81-83
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                                  > > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@> wrote:
                                  > > >
                                  > > > A big THANKS from me as well for those pics. Was in B 2/13th.
                                  > > > The buildings sure look different now.
                                  > > >
                                  > > > FORTY ROUNDS !!!
                                  > > >
                                  > > > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, bobby browning <bobnc49@> wrote:
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the door.  I was the Training Clerk and worked in this building from January 1971 till February 1972.  I have an anniversary tommorrow.  39 ears ago I went in the Army.  I was drafted  July 24, 1970  Forty rounds
                                  > > > >
                                  > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bill <bfort@> wrote:
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                                  > > > > From: Bill <bfort@>
                                  > > > > Subject: [8thdivmodern] Re: 4th of July
                                  > > > > To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > > > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:49 PM
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                                  > > > > Thanks! I used to be in A co 2/13 as well.--- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, "dmp_1959" <dmp_1959@ .> wrote:
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                                  > > > > > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the
                                  > > > > strasse's. Well I'll close for now Take care and when I have the time I will get out
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                                  > > > > > for more pictures I am trying to get to Baumholder soon. God Bless --- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, Bill <daytonohio@ > wrote:
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                                  > > > > > > Happy Independence Day everyone...
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                                  > > > > > > God Bless America and all who serve Her.
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                                  > > > > > > Bill In Ohio  .../........
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                                  > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Jeff KB2M <kb2m@> wrote:
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                                  > > > > > > From: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@>
                                  > > > > > > Subject: RE: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
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                                • Bill
                                  Message 16 of 16 , Aug 7, 2009
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                                    Hmmm,That's a shock. I thought those buildings were sturdy like a rock.--- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "dmp_1959" <dmp_1959@...> wrote:
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                                    > Well I have a bit of news about Coleman the old 2/13 inf and 3/8 cav buildings have been condemned and will be torn down. I don't know when this will happen but I was talking to a guy that works on Coleman and he said the old mess hall just about fell down on it's own and C co 2/13 building not sure what one but the floor droped about 6 inches over night when they still had troops in them. The guy said they are talking about putting some houseing in there for the guys that are posted there. I didn't see it at the time but the A co building did have a sigh on it it's even in one of the pic's but I didn't pay it any mind after looking at it when I was there yesterday it does say CONDEMNED. Now the funny thing is the guy said they just painted them a year or so ago go figure right. I will find out what I can and keep you all updated. I am still trying to get the ok for Baumholder and Graf but for some reason they are giving me the run around on letting me on post to take pictures. I'll also keep drinking the white wine and cokes for you all lol
                                    > 40 ROUNDS
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                                    > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <bfort@> wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > I used to park my jeep out in front of the A company orderly room when we were packing up for an alert in the early 70s. Seems nicer now.--- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@> wrote:
                                    > > >
                                    > > > I looked again at those new photos of 2/13th Inf area.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Just realized if you click on "original" view, the photos are very large and detailed. Very cool to see the old cracked sidewalk where we used to stand in formation every day. One thing I just noticed is the lack of trees. There used to be a few large trees in the area. B Co. had one right in front of our orderly room. Awesome pictures.
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Post some more !!!
                                    > > >
                                    > > > Murph
                                    > > > B 2/13 81-83
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                                    > > > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Murphy" <jsmurphy62@> wrote:
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > A big THANKS from me as well for those pics. Was in B 2/13th.
                                    > > > > The buildings sure look different now.
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > FORTY ROUNDS !!!
                                    > > > >
                                    > > > > --- In 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com, bobby browning <bobnc49@> wrote:
                                    > > > > >
                                    > > > > > I also would to say MANY THANKS    I was in Company C 2/13th  As I looked at the picture of Company C Headquarters I could see myself walking inside the door.  I was the Training Clerk and worked in this building from January 1971 till February 1972.  I have an anniversary tommorrow.  39 ears ago I went in the Army.  I was drafted  July 24, 1970  Forty rounds
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                                    > > > > > --- On Thu, 7/23/09, Bill <bfort@> wrote:
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                                    > > > > > From: Bill <bfort@>
                                    > > > > > Subject: [8thdivmodern] Re: 4th of July
                                    > > > > > To: 8thdivmodern@yahoogroups.com
                                    > > > > > Date: Thursday, July 23, 2009, 1:49 PM
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                                    > > > > > Thanks! I used to be in A co 2/13 as well.--- In 8thdivmodern@ yahoogroups. com, "dmp_1959" <dmp_1959@ .> wrote:
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                                    > > > > > > Hello all and sorry I missed the 4th. I didn't get the net till the other day the wife and I are back in Germany and doing well. I got by coleman the other day and took a few pictures I posted them on the photo page here. The old 2/13inf buildings are empty nothing but trash left in them. Standing there infront of Aco felt like old times I remembered things I hadn't thought of in years. I took my place in formation gave a salute and then stood at the orderly room door and gave a short sigh. It's funny what we miss later in life. Go figure now that they are empty they paint them a nice color insteed of piss yellow. As some of you may know I lost my best friend Arch on the 3rd of july last year this year I sat at one of the gasthaus that we use to go to not the same as it was tho but I sat there and had a white wine and coke and a smoke for him. Alot of things have changed but alot of things have stayed the same. It's funny not see alot of GI's on the
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                                    > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 7/4/09, Jeff KB2M <kb2m@> wrote:
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                                    > > > > > > > From: Jeff KB2M <kb2m@>
                                    > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
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                                    > > > > > > > Date: Saturday, July 4, 2009, 9:05 PM
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                                    > > > > > > > You also have a happy 4th Jim.
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                                    > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [8thdivmodern] 4th of July
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                                    > > > > > > > Happy
                                    > > > > > > > 4th of July to all from your long lost site moderator!
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