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Re: OT: Obama's intent to take away guns

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  • bigmanfun
    When you bring up the Zimmerman case, the activities that are going on are outside the legislative process. You have an executive branch agenda that internally
    Message 1 of 294 , Jul 15, 2013
      When you bring up the Zimmerman case, the activities that are going on are outside the legislative process. You have an executive branch agenda that internally they had to corrupt because they needed some distractions from the Benghazi murders and the IRS corruption, and all the other corruptions in which they have been caught. So they needed to get Zimmerman to be the focus of everyone's attentions for a while hoping we would all forget the rest of the stuff going on. Unfortunately, they were hoping for a case to support more gun control but instead they got an exoneration they didn't expect. So now, you are seeing the executive branch trying to make up something that isn't there.

      There is a risk that this will blow back on the White House when the connections are made that Obama was trying to set up Zimmerman to take a fall for him.

      Why doesn't this administraion care about this much about the people murdered a Ft. Hood or at Sandy Hook?

      Something is really wrong with this.

      Thomas

      --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "buffumjr18" <buffumjr18@...> wrote:
      >
      > Look, guys, intellectual arguments about the finer points of legislative procedure are wonderful. Have at it. But, remember, during the Renaissance, the College of Cardinals and the scholars were having borderline dangerous arguments about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.
      >
      > Here's the skinny.
      >
      > Either a monied group, or a highly visible, loud, sometimes violent pressure group demands legislation to give them special privelege above the rest of us. Congress is either paid or frightened into passing this legislation. The monied or dangerous pressure group revels in their victory. The rest of us, who are too busy earning a living and dealing with family must comply with these new laws. Their advantage is our disadvantage. That's how the natural world works. There are precious few win-win situations.
      >
      > That it's all veiled in Byzantine complex procedure is all well and good. It lends an air of legitimacy to it. "It was properly deliberated". When was the last time the NAACP or the billionaires DIDN'T get what they wanted? The smoke wafts gently into our eyes, and we turn away, figuring, "Let them handle it."
      >
      > And our rights and freedoms slowly drain away. This applies to Liberals, too. You gotta live by the Billionaires' whims just like the Conservatvies do.
      >
      > Case in point. George Zimmerman was found not guilty by a jury of his peers, after a highly competent prosecution. The NAACP is demanding a 14th Amendment trial. Now, just what do you think is gonna happen? Hmmmm? The Fifth Amendment forbids such things, but, what was it I said about pressure groups? The riots have already started.
      >
      > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <roylowenthal@> wrote:
      > >
      > > Here's a decent summary of how the process works:
      > >
      > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_federal_budget
      > >
      > > Here are all the documents for recent years:
      > >
      > > http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/browse/collectionGPO.action?collectionCode=BUDGET
      > >
      > > Roy
      > >
      > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "bigmanfun" <bigmanfun@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Roy,
      > > > Interesting that you point to Congress and then say that the House is key when the Senate and House are normally equal. It doesn't work that way.
      > > > The POTUS sets the agenda and leads with a budget proposal. This POTUS, if he submits one does it late. And how many years was it without a budget from the Senate? The House did their job with multiple versions so that Reid could just pick one. Still no budget from the Senate.
      > > >
      > > > The Tea Party isn't preventing anything from happening. They are preventing anything bad from happening. That is what they are supposed to do when they are in the minority.
      > > >
      > > > But Reid can't get anything useful out of the Senate he controls! That is where the logjam really is. But the press isn't going to tell you that.
      > > >
      > > > What you call the futile grandstanding Obamacare is getting those responsible for the abortion on the record for the midterm elections. It is working as Obama is now backing off the implementation to prevent those Democrat from getting ousted.
      > > >
      > > > It is the worst administration this country has ever seen, even worse than Carter.
      > > >
      > > > Thomas
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <roylowenthal@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Look at how laws are enacted - the House is key to getting anything done. With the current makeup, the Tea Party nihilists are preventing anything from happening, except dozens of futile grandstanding attempts at repealing health care.
      > > > >
      > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Congress#Powers_of_Congress
      > > > >
      > > > > Roy
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "bigmanfun" <bigmanfun@> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Roy,
      > > > > > I find it interesting that you and Bill think that the Republicans or the Tea Party are the one who are setting the agenda for the country!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The failure of the economy to recover jobs falls squarely on the President and the Senate who were both elected to lead.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Where is their link, to their plan, which they are executing, which is working?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > It is non-existent!
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Blaming it on The Republicans has really become very boring.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Thomas
      > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <roylowenthal@> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Surprise, surprise! The link showing the wonders of the Tea Party is missing! That seems appropriate.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > Roy
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "bigmanfun" <bigmanfun@> wrote:
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > The Republicans in the House, and even more so, the Tea Party Members in the House were elected to stop ReidObamaLosi any way they could. They are doing exactly what they were elected to do.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Both of your sources have agendas that prevent objective analysis. Try this link, instead. You will find that lots of legislation is getting done, it is just inadequate on jobs or reducing violence or helping the economy, which is my point.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > If Obama and Reid can be prevented from damaging the country any further, the 212th Congress will indeed be very successful.
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > Thomas
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, "Roy" <roylowenthal@> wrote:
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > The hold up on getting anything done is in the house, not the senate.
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-07-05/congress-is-on-pace-to-do-less-than-record-breaking-low.html
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Maybe, if they spent a little time actually legislating, instead of grandstanding with dozens of failed attempts to repeal healthcare...
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/15/us/politics/house-republicans-to-vote-again-on-repealing-health-care.html
      > > > > > > > >
      > > > > > > > > Roy
      > > > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
    • Ian Newman
      Hi Brian, Thank you for your constructive comments on my observations. I m not sure what part of the world you are from, but in the UK ASBO is an acronym for
      Message 294 of 294 , Oct 7, 2013
        Hi Brian,

        Thank you for your constructive comments on my observations.

        I'm not sure what part of the world you are from, but in the UK ASBO is an acronym for Anti-Social Behaviour Order.  In none of my posts have I been insulting or anti-social (if you disagree on this point, please show me the posts and I will willingly apologise for any offence I've caused) and I have never been issued with any form of restriction.

        On the other hand, Dave_m has repeatedly accused me of being an "out right liar" - even though he has agreed that I have been telling the truth all along.  Perhaps honesty and integrity are concepts that you either do not understand or do not believe in (and so you think nothing of Dave's behaviour) but in any other group, to throw insults and false accusations around in the way Dave_m has done would result in the moderator insisting that Dave behave in a more respectful manner.  Of course Dave is the moderator of this group so he is unlikely to chastise himself.

        As I have said before on this group, in the time that I lived and worked in the USA all the Americans I met, worked and socialised with were amongst the most friendly, helpful and generous people it has ever been my pleasure to meet.  Dave's inability to admit that he made a mistake is unfortunate, but his rudeness and insulting accusations require an apology (or at least an admission that he "mis-spoke"......).

        There is a sort of joke in Europe that goes:
        "Advice to Americans traveling in Europe - Tell people you are Canadian"
        I never really "got" that one until I encountered Dave's attitude.  I know from personal experience that Dave is not representative of the average American, but it is his attitude and opinion that is being broadcast to the world via this group.


        All the best,
        Ian




        From: Brian Pitt <bfp@...>
        To: 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Sunday, 6 October 2013, 23:41
        Subject: Re: [7x10minilathe] OT: NRA survey - was: OT: about ians lies

        On Sunday, October 06, 2013 12:20:03 pm you wrote:
        > troll troll troll...


        > All the best,
        > Ian


        Ian ,you're violating your ASBO again

        Brian
        --
        "A man wrapped up in himself makes a very small bundle."
        Benjamin Franklin


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