Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

Re: Nation Building OT:

Expand Messages
  • Dave Mucha
    I have long held the position that we will conquer more lands with McDonalds and Disneyland than with UAV s and bayonets. It may be that Vitoria Secrets may
    Message 1 of 10 , Jul 1, 2009
    • 0 Attachment
      I have long held the position that we will conquer more lands with McDonalds and Disneyland than with UAV's and bayonets. It may be that Vitoria Secrets may reach even further

      http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/saudi-arabia/090313/your-shoe-size-maam-id-judge-you-c-cup

      Dave

      --- In 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com, x xx <lesleynward@...> wrote:
      >
      > Of course they will.  All peoples yell for help when they come under attack.  And Kurds stretch all the way from Turkey to Afghanistan, so the upheaval will be severe.  But stay out of it.  If the Russians decide to "secure" their southern flank, then let that be between the Russians and their neighbours.  The Russians will do no more militarily than the world can handle.  And call off those damn drones on the North West Frontier!   Pathans have VERY long memories and they don't hate you. Yet.   Let Pakistan and India work towards a rapprochement which is becoming increasingly possible without sticking your oar in that water, but work with China so you and she may develop common economic and strategic interests that will keep her from pulling the economic plug on you in a fit of pique.  A collateral benefit of doing that is that with India feeling less threatened by China, a settlement between India and Pakistan in the Jammu and Kashmir
      > question would become more attainable.  If such a thing could come to be, the entire Middle East would settle down because she would be surrounded, not militarily particularly, since no non-American fears America's military, but economically.  As a result of yesterday's beginning of the pull-out from Iraq, America had better position herself to prosper in the coming economic competion for access to Iraqui oil.
      >  
      > Sam
      >
      > --- On Tue, 6/30/09, James Early <j.w.early@...> wrote:
      >
      >
      > From: James Early <j.w.early@...>
      > Subject: Re: [7x10minilathe] Nation Building OT:
      > To: 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com
      > Received: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 7:03 PM
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > Sam
      > Problem is the Kurds if pushed to far will whistle for their genetic cousins
      > who are well known for protecting friends.
      >
      > JWE
      > Long Beach, CA
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "x xx" <lesleynward@ yahoo.ca>
      > To: <7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com>
      > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:35 PM
      > Subject: Re: [7x10minilathe] Nation Building OT:
      >
      > Well, however we may all feel about it, the US has no alternative but to cut
      > and run. In the Middle East she will only find further humiliation. The
      > running will be slow enuff to permit "plausible denial" bu53Ts8dIyM1MZXL0h5NDzhvwOMc5ZhEdZPpAc KgIz/vR/f/aY/9FYqvG8IassEGS9H8FB7tC0/1MR4Exc3FfhWKwNkOH4oyxom3qvtD1N03fV9A95 d7sGUZtIlTP594/02xAYOE17UKQV93+9l9Z4wo28Xht9lB+omsAv+5hEj3AmatpHCKk/pjiwTB4e HEtB8yx6//pu8r+Di+eL/xB8vclWPbf6ba1EL9u4ezWHqMssX72+IX2I6SAGkfJ8n/g9ScYct5PT bFMznyP9+Uif//H4XhyEgvASAgTDwMDpvL/oSf/9UNa9KA9VRqaZNt9v+8iTwa/AlpHQ3hupPcHS BL7/qnCqW5ZpujVbEtjZLQf3In6W3WRq/9v2bbTMWo/v4+oTG4DAgMEg4C74K+Ky5MuRJy71nqLgng out of the rural areas will be quite another. Let's hope
      > Obama will continue to have the fortitude to tell congress where to get off.
      > Let the Iraquis sort themselves out. If you want to help any of 'em, then
      > pay heed to the inscription on the plinth of the Statue of Liberty. Maybe
      > that is what that new immigration regime is leading up to.
      >
      > And don't, for Heaven's sake, send the evacuated troops to Afghanistan. Take
      > McChrystal at his word. Leave it to the Canadian Army and our Nato allies.
      > Otherwise you'll just make bad worse. And that's probably what's behind
      > Washington's current sucking up to Ottawa to make us stay beyond the
      > mandated 2011 pull-out date.
      >
      > Sam
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > __________________________________________________________________
      > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
      >
      > http://www.flickr.com/gift/
      >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >
    • x xx
      I agree entirely.  I see this morning that our Minister of Finance has announced that we are forgiving the debt Haiti owes us.  A piddling amount of two
      Message 2 of 10 , Jul 2, 2009
      • 0 Attachment
        I agree entirely.  I see this morning that our Minister of Finance has announced that we are forgiving the debt Haiti owes us.  A piddling amount of two million odd, but symbolically it is, IMO, VERY important.
         
        Now, the cynics may say that there is a connexion twixt that and the fact that our Guv'nor General - The Queen's locum in this 'ere colony - is a Haitian, but even if that is so, what of it?  I gives me immense pleasure that our Head of State (tho not of government, since we keep the functions strictly separate) is an immigrant — as splendidly suntanned as is Obama —  a woman who came here as a single mother and made a name for herself as a francophone journalist in Montreal and who still speaks French with the intonation of the Haitian Creole.  As someone once said: "We salute the rank, not the man", but when the rank is borne by a genuinely nice and accomplished woman, the pleasure is all the greater.
         
        Now, I think we should set about using this little incident as an example for how to handle the Afghan situation.   McChystal has already declared himself "impressed" with how the Canadian forces focus on guarding Afghans engaged in physically rebuilding their villages and improving their infrastructure, with shooting confined to any that is necessary to furnish that protection.  I may be that the fact that Canadian troops have the highest per capita casualty rate in Afghanistan has to do with the fact that they are deliberately and by policy a tad slow on the trigger.  A few days ago I came across a YouToob clip from an American base.  A young private (F) was casually trotting across the land clad in shorts and halter top right across the bows of a group of Afghan men.  Giving such gratuitous offence to the Pathan is totally unnecessary.  Obviously the Pathan know what women look like starkers and that Westerners have different mores.  That is
        NOT the issue.  The issue is that of the stark gratuitousness of the infraction. 
         
        In the Hindu Kush and on the North West Frontier men's and women's daily dress is the same - what we call a "Panjabi" - loose trouses called "shalwar"s and a long loose shirt reaching down to the knees called a "kameesh", the whole rig being referred to as "shalwar kameesh".  Men take care on formal occasions to keep their heads covered. 
         
        IMO US (and Canadian) female troops off duty should wear the shalwar kameesh (and so should men really), but I see no need to go so far as wearing a burqua let alone a chadri, for the objective is not to pretend to BE Pathan, but merely to be polite while a guest in someone else's house so as to give the Pathan an opportunity to reciprocate by acknowledging that Westerners are indeed different and by making their own accommodation to that, which they will be glad to do.  Remember that just as the Pathan never forgive a slight, so their "code of honour" - Pathanwali -  demands that hospitality must be extended even to an enemy if he asks for it.  I look forward to the day I see a YouToob clip of young American men, in shalwar kameesh, wearing a pakol and having learned some Pashto sit quietly and politely in a shura, just listening, so they may come to know what ordinary Pathans really want and really need.
         
        Sam


        --- On Wed, 7/1/09, Dave Mucha <dave_mucha@...> wrote:


        From: Dave Mucha <dave_mucha@...>
        Subject: [7x10minilathe] Re: Nation Building OT:
        To: 7x10minilathe@yahoogroups.com
        Received: Wednesday, July 1, 2009, 3:19 AM








        I have long held the position that we will conquer more lands with McDonalds and Disneyland than with UAV's and bayonets. It may be that Vitoria Secrets may reach even further

        http://www.globalpo st.com/dispatch/ saudi-arabia/ 090313/your- shoe-size- maam-id-judge- you-c-cup

        Dave

        --- In 7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com, x xx <lesleynward@ ...> wrote:
        >
        > Of course they will.  All peoples yell for help when they come under attack.  And Kurds stretch all the way from Turkey to Afghanistan, so the upheaval will be severe.  But stay out of it.  If the Russians decide to "secure" their southern flank, then let that be between the Russians and their neighbours.  The Russians will do no more militarily than the world can handle.  And call off those damn drones on the North West Frontier!   Pathans have VERY long memories and they don't hate you. Yet.   Let Pakistan and India work towards a rapprochement which is becoming increasingly possible without sticking your oar in that water, but work with China so you and she may develop common economic and strategic interests that will keep her from pulling the economic plug on you in a fit of pique.  A collateral benefit of doing that is that with India feeling less threatened by China, a settlement between India and Pakistan in the Jammu and Kashmir
        > question would become more attainable.  If such a thing could come to be, the entire Middle East would settle down because she would be surrounded, not militarily particularly, since no non-American fears America's military, but economically.  As a result of yesterday's beginning of the pull-out from Iraq, America had better position herself to prosper in the coming economic competion for access to Iraqui oil.
        >  
        > Sam
        >
        > --- On Tue, 6/30/09, James Early <j.w.early@. ..> wrote:
        >
        >
        > From: James Early <j.w.early@. ..>
        > Subject: Re: [7x10minilathe] Nation Building OT:
        > To: 7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com
        > Received: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 7:03 PM
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > Sam
        > Problem is the Kurds if pushed to far will whistle for their genetic cousins
        > who are well known for protecting friends.
        >
        > JWE
        > Long Beach, CA
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "x xx" <lesleynward@ yahoo.ca>
        > To: <7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com>
        > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 6:35 PM
        > Subject: Re: [7x10minilathe] Nation Building OT:
        >
        > Well, however we may all feel about it, the US has no alternative but to cut
        > and run. In the Middle East she will only find further humiliation. The
        > running will be slow enuff to permit "plausible denial" bu53Ts8dIyM1MZXL0h5 NDzhvwOMc5ZhEdZP pAc KgIz/vR/f/aY/ 9FYqvG8IassEGS9H 8FB7tC0/1MR4Exc3 FfhWKwNkOH4oyxom 3qvtD1N03fV9A95 d7sGUZtIlTP594/ 02xAYOE17UKQV93+ 9l9Z4wo28Xht9lB+ omsAv+5hEj3Amatp HCKk/pjiwTB4e HEtB8yx6//pu8r+ Di+eL/xB8vclWPbf 6ba1EL9u4ezWHqMs sX72+IX2I6SAGkfJ 8n/g9ScYct5PT bFMznyP9+Uif/ /H4XhyEgvASAgTDw MDpvL/oSf/ 9UNa9KA9VRqaZNt9 v+8iTwa/AlpHQ3hu pPcHS BL7/qnCqW5ZpujVbEtj ZLQf3In6W3WRq/ 9v2bbTMWo/ v4+oTG4DAgMEg4C7 4K+Ky5MuRJy71nqL gng out of the rural areas will be quite another. Let's hope
        > Obama will continue to have the fortitude to tell congress where to get off.
        > Let the Iraquis sort themselves out. If you want to help any of 'em, then
        > pay heed to the inscription on the plinth of the Statue of Liberty. Maybe
        > that is what that new immigration regime is leading up to.
        >
        > And don't, for Heaven's sake, send the evacuated troops to Afghanistan. Take
        > McChrystal at his word. Leave it to the Canadian Army and our Nato allies.
        > Otherwise you'll just make bad worse. And that's probably what's behind
        > Washington's current sucking up to Ottawa to make us stay beyond the
        > mandated 2011 pull-out date.
        >
        > Sam
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
        > Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!
        >
        > http://www.flickr com/gift/
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >

















        __________________________________________________________________
        Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

        http://www.flickr.com/gift/

        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.