- Michael Taglieri is perhaps the person on this list with the least credibility to call others true believers . He once made the flat out statement thatMessage 1 of 258 , Mar 1 12:47 AMView SourceMichael Taglieri is perhaps the person on this list with the least credibility to call others "true believers". He once made the flat out statement that police chiefs "overwhelmingly" opposed private citizens having handguns. The problem is, surveys of those very people by the National Association of Chiefs of Police clearly show just the opposite. (The survey was of police chiefs and sheriffs, not rank and file). I provided irrefutable evidence and asked for his source for his claim. All he could cough up was that he "read it somewhere". Proved to have told an outright lie, he not only didn't back down from his ridiculous and false statement, but he accused me of twisting his words and made a big show about blocking my posts from then on. Backed into a hopeless debating corner, and unwilling to admit wrong, I guess that's all he could think of.So when Taglieri talks about true believers or no point in arguing facts, realize that he is the poster boy for such a person.Chuck K.----- Original Message -----From: Michael TaglieriSent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:16 PMSubject: Re: [SPAM] Re: [7x10minilathe] Ignorance Re: Funny as Hell OT
No point trying to argue facts with these people, Gerry. They're Right-Wing
True Believers, and a Right-Wing True Believer never allows anything as
commonplace as a fact to influence his beliefs that all programs run by the
government are pure and unalloyed wickedness to the core.....
Mike Taglieri miket_nyc@verizon. net
Everyone has his reasons.
- Jean Renoir "The Rules of the Game"
----- Original Message -----
From: "gerry waclawiak" <gerrywac@hotmail. co.uk>
To: <7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 3:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SPAM] Re: [7x10minilathe] Ignorance Re: Funny as Hell OT
I think this needs to be kept in context, Britain is not providing some sort
of third world health service but one that is comparable with most western
countiries and providing access at entry level without constraint of
requiring payment or promise of payment to gain access. This causes somwhat
of a problem as many people visit their doctor at the merest sign of a cold,
sore throat, bruise, minor wound or cut or general aches and pains and
expense them to dispense drugs where they could quite easily obtain over the
counter remedies at a far cheaper cost from the local pharmacy.
Also because consultation is free to the recipeint there are a considerable
number of people who make and break consultations with little or no notice
thereby wasting resouces simply because they know they will not be charged
for doing so.
To: 7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. comFrom: johns@viacognis. comDate: Mon, 25 Feb
2008 19:47:23 +0000Subject: [SPAM] Re: [7x10minilathe] Ignorance Re: Funny
as Hell OT
There was a news item about the British National Health Systemrecently. The
Health Minister was urging people to cut the load onthe system by treating
themselves.It is an example of what happens when there is a budget and a
HealthMinister trying to provide services on a limited amount of money.
Thetruth is that health care is expensive and if everyone is to get
highquality care it is crushingly expensive.-- - In
7x10minilathe@ yahoogroups. com, Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:>> On Mon, 25
Feb 2008 00:31:48 -0800, you wrote:> > >Yes, She has stated she will reform
NAFTA or get us out of it.> >I am not saying Republicans are Bad and
Demarcates are Good, I amsaying> >they are ALL corrupt, truly, why the hell
does anyone want thepolitical> >positions? They are all power hungry, Some
more than others.> > Pretty much all....> > >> >Bushes approval rating is
now what around 19 - 24 % depending onwere you> >get the info from, but you
can clearly see HE has taken us down onedark> >road in history that will
take generations to come back from.> > And of course, the Clintons by
selling missile technology to the> Chinese, did not.> > >> >Are you one in
the 19-24% ?> > does it matter?> >> >Even most of the republican party are
trying like hell to distance> >themselves from this floundering
administration. > >> > It's called re-election and trying to smell which way
the wind is> blowing today.> > >One of the Biggest cries in this nation is
health care and I don'tsee the> >republicans doing anything about it. That
will be the biggestreason they> >will not fair well in this election.> > Who
will pay for health care? How?> > Look at Canada's and the British system.
*Not* a good idea.> > Harvey> > >> >>
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- Lawyers are like Islamaterrorists. It only takes a few to spoil the reputation of the whole lot. The lady who sued McDonald s for spilling hot coffee and wonMessage 258 of 258 , Jul 12, 2008View SourceLawyers are like Islamaterrorists.
It only takes a few to spoil the reputation of the whole lot.
The lady who sued McDonald's for spilling hot coffee and won 2.7 million
Or the kid who broke thru the skylight of the school in which he was
stealing stuff, won $260,000 for his actions.
Tennessee woman Betty Potter, who weighed 230 pounds, was driving her
Ford Escort in the rain on bald tires, lost control of her car, and
collided backwards into a tree at 30 mph. verdict ? 7 million.
19 hijackers changed our world on 9/11. more than 19 lawyers changed
our Constitution over the last 200 years.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Michael" <bocamikey@...> wrote:
> --- In email@example.com, "AnaLog Services, Inc."
> <analog@> wrote:
> > Imbecile. My immediate family is full of lawyers. I don't hate
> lawyers, I just hate idiots and liars like you.
> I have been cussing lawyers for quite awhile, ever since they sued
> most of our industry out existance or out of the country. We once
> could afford to go to a doctor - before mal practice insurance. When
> a lawyer comes to town everything goes up. Life insurance has gone
> down for years - compare that to your liability insurance on your
> car - home - or anything that you do. I just did not stop to look to
> which party they all line up with. Little wonder why we are in this
> The Lawyers' Party By Bruce Walker
> The Democratic Party has become the Lawyers' Party. Barack Obama and
> Hillary Clinton are lawyers. Bill Clinton and Michelle Obama are
> lawyers. John Edwards, the other former Democrat candidate for
> president, is a lawyer and so is his wife Elizabeth. Every Democrat
> nominee since 1984 went to law school (although Gore did not
> graduate.) Every Democrat vice presidential nominee since 1976,
> except for Lloyd Benson, went to law school. Look at the Democrat
> Party in Congress: the Majority Leader in each house is a lawyer.
> The Republican Party is different. President Bush and Vice President
> Cheney were not lawyers, but businessmen. The leaders of the
> Republican Revolution were not lawyers. Newt Gingrich was a history
> professor; Tom Delay was an exterminator; and Dick Armey was an
> economist. House Minority Leader Boehner was a plastic
> manufacturer, not a lawyer. The former Senate Majority Leader Bill
> Frist is a heart surgeon.
> Who was the last Republican president who was a lawyer? Gerald Ford,
> who left office thirty-one years ago and who barely won the
> Republican nomination as a sitting president, running against Ronald
> Reagan in 1976. The Republican Party is made up of real people doing
> real work. The Democratic Party is made up of lawyers. Democrats
> mock and scorn men who create wealth, like Bush and Cheney, or who
> heal the sick like Frist, or who immerse themselves in history like
> The Lawyers' Party sees these sorts of people, who provide goods and
> services that people want, as the enemies of America. And so we have
> seen the procession of official enemies in the eyes of the Lawyers'
> Party grow. Against whom do Hillary and Obama rail? Pharmaceutical
> companies, oil companies, hospitals, manufacturers, fast food
> restaurant chains, large retail businesses, bankers and anyone
> producing anything of value in our nation.
> This is the natural consequence of viewing everything through the
> eyes of lawyers. Lawyers solve problems by successfully representing
> their clients, in this case the American people. Lawyers seek to
> have new laws passed, they seek to win lawsuits, they press appellate
> courts to overturn precedent, and lawyers always parse language to
> favor their side.
> Confined to the narrow practice of law, that is fine. But it is an
> awful way to govern a great nation. When politicians as lawyers
> begin to view some Americans as clients and other Americans as
> opposing parties, then the role of the legal system in our life
> becomes all consuming. Some Americans become "adverse parties" of
> our very government. We are not all litigants in some vast social
> class action suit. We are citizens of a republic which promises us a
> great deal of freedom from laws, from courts, and from lawyers.
> Today, we are drowning in laws, we are contorted by judicial
> decisions, we are driven to distraction by omnipresent lawyers in all
> parts of our once private lives. America has a place for laws and
> lawyers, but that place is modest and reasonable, not vast and
> unchecked. When the most important decision for our next president
> is whom he will appoint to the Supreme Court, the role of lawyers and
> the law in America is too big. When lawyers use criminal prosecution
> as a continuation of politics by other means, as happened in the
> lynching of Scooter Libby and Tom Delay, then the power of lawyers in
> America is too great. When House Democrats sue America in order to
> hamstring our efforts to learn what our enemies are planning to do to
> use, then the role of litigation in America has become crushing.
> We cannot expect the Lawyers' Party to provide real change, real
> reform or real hope in America. Most Americans know that a republic
> in which every major government action must be blessed by nine
> unelected judges is not what Washington intended in 1789. Most
> Americans grasp that we cannot fight a war when ACLU lawsuits snap at
> the heels of our defenders. Most Americans intuit that more lawyers
> and judges will not restore declining moral values or spark the
> spirit of enterprise in our economy.
> Perhaps Americans will understand that change cannot be brought to
> our nation by those lawyers who already largely dictate American
> society and business. Perhaps Americans will see that hope does not
> come from the mouths of lawyers but from personal dreams nourished by
> hard work. Perhaps Americans will embrace the truth that more
> lawyers with more power will only make our problems worse!