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Re: [7mm NGA] Rubberised horsehair

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  • Roy Wood
    Hi Stephen I ve just done a quick google for rubberised horsehair which gives lots of references. Green-scene for example do small bits but that may prove to
    Message 1 of 14 , Apr 28, 2007
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      Hi Stephen
      I've just done a quick 'google' for rubberised
      horsehair which gives lots of references. Green-scene
      for example do small bits but that may prove to be an
      expensive option if you have need for a lot.
      I bought some locally (Wimborne) some time ago, not
      expensive and something like 12"x12"x1" but I'm blowed
      if I can remember what the people were called.It was a
      privte house, not a shop and they provided it for
      gaming or doll's houses or something like that. If I
      can remember I'll post it to the this elist.
      Another option is to contact one on the bed
      manufacturers that the search threw up.
      I'm also intrigued how you make trees from it! I use
      it for hedges for which I think it's brilliant.
      regards
      Roy Wood
    • brian
      Wow! That s real common sense I hardly ever expect to see on elists. You are perfectly correct Steve. Model shops and model component manufacturers are truly
      Message 2 of 14 , May 1, 2007
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        Wow! That's real common sense I hardly ever expect to see on elists. You are
        perfectly correct Steve. Model shops and model component manufacturers are
        truly an endangered species and it really is a case of 'use them or lose
        them.'

        'Name the model shops that have gone out of business in the last 30 years'
        is fast becoming a sad party game for us older modellers. Graham Hubbard of
        Bachmann range me yesterday. After our business conversation we were
        reminiscing on the fact that we were born less than a year apart and within
        a few miles of each other. Being old North London boys we started to talk
        about Blunts, Dimmocks and a wealth of others. All gone.

        You can count yourself very lucky indeed if you have a specialist model shop
        within easy driving distance of you.....

        Regards

        Brian Lewis
        Carrs - C+L Finescale
        www.finescale.org.uk
        Tel: +44 1 275 852 027
        Fax: +44 1 275 810 555
        -----Original Message-----
        From: 7mmnga@yahoogroups.com [mailto:7mmnga@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
        STEPHEN BENNETT
        Sent: 30 April 2007 23:39
        To: 7mmnga@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [7mm NGA] Rubberised horsehair

        Granted, it will cost more for rubberised horse hair from a model shop than
        for freebies that an upholsterer may be throwing out, but expensive? not
        really, unless you are making a forest. Greenscenes do a block of approx
        100mm by 150mm and 30mm thick for just over a quid. This would be enough
        for 3 or 4 decent sized trees, not exactly what I would call expensive. I
        wouldnt expect you would need to pay much more than this in your local model
        shop and they need your support these days, every little bit helps. Driving
        or phoning around to try and find it for free, will probably cost you more
        aswell in the long run.

        OK, I'll put the soapbox away now.
        Steve Bennett


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: stephen_j_howe
        To: 7mmnga@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 10:45 PM
        Subject: Re: [7mm NGA] Rubberised horsehair


        --- In 7mmnga@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Shaw <trevor.shaw@...> wrote:
        >
        > Rubberised horsehair is no longer the animal product it used to be.
        > However, something of the sort is still available. From model
        railway
        > suppliers it is very expensive, but you can probably get it by
        > approaching your friendly local upholsterer in a friendly manner
        and
        > asking for the bits he would normally throw in the bin.
        >
        > It's a good tree making material. Make the trunk and branches from
        > twisted wire in the time-honoured way. Coat this armature with
        flexible
        > filler of some sort. Some people prefer glue from a hot glue gun.
        I've
        > used proprietary stuff from Greenscene but it's a bit gritty, and
        > decorator's flexible filler might be better than either, but I
        haven't
        > tried it yet. Paint this armature grey, with green shading on its
        north
        > side.
        >
        > The rubberised horsehair forms the twigs. I tear it into small
        bits,
        > about 1in maximum dimension and than gather all the bits together,
        stuff
        > them in a coffee jar with enough diluted black acrylic paint to
        stain
        > them and spread out on newspaper to dry.
        >
        > The following day, glue them in an artistic arrangement on the
        twisted
        > wire armature with white glue.
        >
        > The day after that, paint the tops and sides of the carefully
        arranged
        > horsehair twigs with undiluted white glue and throw on your
        favourite
        > foam leaf material.
        >
        > Look at some trees around you. They are well into leaf in this warm
        > early spring. They don't have leaves on the underneath of the
        boughs,
        > nor on the trunks. So when you apply leaves, you should only put
        the
        > glue on the tops and sides of the horsehair twigs. Spraying a tree
        > skeleton with solvent based adhesive is a big mistake. You get
        leaves
        > where they shouldn't be. Also, beware especially of Photomount. It
        never
        > dries or loses its adhesive capacity. So your tree will get smaller
        and
        > smaller as it is handled.
        >
        > Hope this helps. It's based on good and bad experience.
        > --
        > Trevor Shaw
        >
        Thanks for that Roger, really useful info. I shall seek out my local
        upholsterer!





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      • Trevor Shaw
        Roy, Be very careful. I was taken to task on another group only last week for suggesting you might pop around to your local upholsterer and offer him next to
        Message 3 of 14 , May 15, 2007
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          Roy,

          Be very careful. I was taken to task on another group only last week for
          suggesting you might pop around to your local upholsterer and offer him
          next to nothing for his odd bits left over and due to be sent to the
          bin.

          I was advised in no uncertain terms that I was letting the model railway
          supporting cottage industry and our local model shops down. As you know,
          I am a minor part of that cottage industry, so I felt offended. (To be
          honest, I don't even consider myself cottage industry, more garden hut
          industry really. Still, it suits me.)

          I use rubberised horsehair for twigs on the very small number of trees I
          can persuade myself to make. I tear it into small pieces and stain it
          with diluted black acrylic paint by putting a couple of inches of
          diluted paint into the bottom of a coffee jar and stuffing as many of
          the small pieces as I can manage into the jar and poddling them around
          until they are saturated. Take them out and dry on newspaper overnight.
          Arrange them artistically on your tree armature, using neat white glue
          as adhesive. Leaves are the next bit and they only occur on the top side
          of twigs and branches. So, coat the topsides (only) of your horsehair
          twigs with neat white glue and apply leaves.

          This works well for me. What you shouldn't do (in my view) is use spray
          adhesive for fixing leaves. For a start you'll have them sticking to
          places where they should never be. For second, spray adhesives (by which
          I mean Photomount and the like) never lose their tack. This means that
          every time the tree is handled, a little push is given to the foliage
          and it shrinks. After a few years, your trees become little balls of
          compressed foam on sticks.

          Got the T-shirt.

          Best wishes,

          Trevor.

          In message <141407.46775.qm@...>, Roy Wood
          <lodgecot@...> writes
          >
          >Hi Stephen
          >I've just done a quick 'google' for rubberised
          >horsehair which gives lots of references. Green-scene
          >for example do small bits but that may prove to be an
          >expensive option if you have need for a lot.
          >I bought some locally (Wimborne) some time ago, not
          >expensive and something like 12"x12"x1" but I'm blowed
          >if I can remember what the people were called.It was a
          >privte house, not a shop and they provided it for
          >gaming or doll's houses or something like that. If I
          >can remember I'll post it to the this elist.
          >Another option is to contact one on the bed
          >manufacturers that the search threw up.
          >I'm also intrigued how you make trees from it! I use
          >it for hedges for which I think it's brilliant.
          >regards
          >Roy Wood
          >
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