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  • 5united@yahoogroups.com
    Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, Before you post to the list, there are things you need to know. We currently are operating on a moderated basis so that your
    Message 1 of 68 , Jul 1, 2007
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      Greetings, ladies and gentlemen,

      Before you post to the list, there are things you need to know. We currently are operating on a moderated basis so that your messages to the membership are delayed until a moderator can scan them. This is the result of repeated straying from the rules that follow. So please pay attention to the rules. We may return to unmoderated status soon.

      The first rule involves the fact there are more than 1300 members on the list. If everybody posted all the time, we'd have over a 1300 messages a day. Obviously, we all would find that an unworkable situation.

      So, the upshot is that you need to allow for some moderation, primarily by yourself. If you cannot do so, the list moderators will have to see that you do. The more you're able to restrain yourself, the less likely the moderators will decide to set your account to a moderated status, which will result in your messages being held until a moderator clears them.

      How does this work then ?

      It is very easy: Simply *Think* about what you're writing.

      Before you ask a question, ask yourself whether you've really reviewed the information available on the Yahoo 5United website ( http://groups.yahoo.com ), at the http://www.5united.net website and all the members' sites. If you're not sure whether the question was answered already in the archives, then check there *first*.

      If your post is a reply to an inquiry by another list member, ask yourself whether your suggestion is that inspired that more than 1300 recipients should get it. If you get the list in digest format, remember that nearly 1300 others alreadly have received the question in individual message format and probably several have posted the same thing you plan to. You can check the messages already posted by reviewing recent messages on the website. Or you can reply privately to the person who asked the question.

      This also works the other way round. If you ask a question and you get thirty replies but only a few are posted to the list, please post a summary of the suggestions for the use of others. Remember not to quote a private response unless the original author agrees. Be sure to report what finally worked for you and solved the problem. Title the message appropriately, such as "XXXXX question resolved" so it can be found easily in the archives.

      As on all e-mail lists, there are messages that are not suitable.
      These include:

      1. Posts that are off topic. Allowed topics are /5 tech and repair questions, replies to and advice with regard to these questions, questions about restorations, announcements of 5united gatherings, posts about parts or bikes that are for sale and reports of riding experiences.

      The list is not for small talk and socialising. You cannot possibly socialise this way. There are more than 1300 of you. That prematurely ends all socialising. If you need to talk, there is the slash5-BS list for you, or you can contact the person you want to discuss things with off-list. If you're not sure that your topic is suitable for the list, contact a moderator before posting.

      2. Posts that quote another post in its entirety. We all remember it from the first time. If we missed it, there are the archives. Trim the post you're replying to to the absolute minimum required to make it clear what you're on about.

      3. Jokes and humor. You can get that elsewhere on the internet.

      4. One-liners and � me too !� posts. Comments that you think are funny probably aren't to all the members. Do not interpret this to mean that your tech posts can't be funny. Just don't make a tech post with the intent to be funny.

      5. Endless repetition of what has already been said is no use at all either. As written above, if you get the list in digest format, the question you're typing the answer to right now, has probably been answered already by fifteen others. Is *your* answer so special that 850 people must read it ?

      6. Incorrectly titled posts. Look at the topic of the message you're about to send and ask yourself if the topic reflects the content of the message, and/or makes it clear which thread it is part of. Some people actually *use* the topic of a message to decide whether or not they're going to read it. You'll annoy people if the content of your message is different from what's in the topic.

      7. If a topic is thoroughly covered on the web site at http://groups.yahoo.com, and it's obvious that the person who made the post has not taken the time to explore this web site, then (s)he will be banned from the room until (s)he can prove that (s)he has perused the web site and is familiar with its content.

      8. If you think you have problems with the list, such as not getting some messages (you can always review messages on the website to compare those with what you have received), or not getting any messages, contact the list administration that's listed in the header for every message sent out.

      Finally, some of our list members get their email through services that charge by the byte for data downloads. So anything you can do to help reduce the amount of data in a message helps. This includes quoting only important parts of the message to which you are responding, making intricate, long-winded descriptions as short and concise as possible, eliminating "sigs" and turning off in your mail program any advertising announcements they generally stick onto all your messages.

      Your subscription to the list confirms that you agree to all of these terms. If you have issues with them, leave. We think the rules are reasonable. Please be reasonable yourself and follow them.

      ***Although this will rarely happen, any violation of an unsuitable post rule is grounds for being banned from the list, which may be followed by a public announcement of your departure, along with a reason. You will usually get a warning beforehand, but don't try to stretch it. We're all busy, and are absolutely not jumping up and down to the idea of being your personal babysitter. I'm sure you are not either.***

      The moderator team wishes to limit the number of messages to the list to about 15 per day. Please keep that in mind too before making the effort to post again what you've already seen twice on the list. It prevents disappointments.

      Any questions? Contact the moderators, also know as "List Bastards at Large" for info. Replace -at- in the e-mail-addresses with the silly @ -symbol to get the actual email-addresses.


      Kneale Brownson :kneale-at-coslink.net
      Cris Vande Velde : stenella-at-5united.net
      Your moderator team.

      Some good research links besides messages archives and files and photos sections at the Yahoo website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/5united include the following:

      http://www.5united.net/ The original 5United website

      http://home.jps.net/~snowbum/techindex.htm Snowbum's technical pages

      http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/index.htm Duane Ausherman's website

      http://www.airheads.org/ The Airheads Club

      http://www.ibmwr.org/ The Internet BMW Riders Organization

      http://www.bmwscotter.org/index.htm Scott Lydiard's great data, pix and tips
    • 5united@yahoogroups.com
      Greetings, ladies and gentlemen, Before you post to the list, there are things you need to know. We currently are operating on an unmoderated basis. When we
      Message 68 of 68 , May 1, 2008
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        Greetings, ladies and gentlemen,

        Before you post to the list, there are things you need to know. We currently are operating on an unmoderated basis. When we are moderated, your messages to the membership are delayed until a moderator can scan them. Moderation will result in the event of repeated straying from the rules that follow. So please pay attention to the rules.

        The first rule involves the fact there are more than 1300 members on the list. If everybody posted all the time, we'd have over a 1300 messages a day. Obviously, we all would find that an unworkable situation.

        So, the upshot is that you need to allow for some moderation, primarily by yourself. If you cannot do so, the list moderators will have to see that you do. The more you're able to restrain yourself, the less likely the moderators will decide to set your account to a moderated status, which will result in your messages being held until a moderator clears them.

        How does this work then ?

        It is very easy: Simply *Think* about what you're writing.

        Before you ask a question, ask yourself whether you've really reviewed the information available on the Yahoo 5United website ( http://groups.yahoo.com ), at the http://www.5united.net website and all the members' sites. If you're not sure whether the question was answered already in the archives, then check there *first*.

        If your post is a reply to an inquiry by another list member, ask yourself whether your suggestion is that inspired that more than 1300 recipients should get it. If you get the list in digest format, remember that nearly 1300 others alreadly have received the question in individual message format and probably several have posted the same thing you plan to. You can check the messages already posted by reviewing recent messages on the website. Or you can reply privately to the person who asked the question.

        This also works the other way round. If you ask a question and you get thirty replies but only a few are posted to the list, please post a summary of the suggestions for the use of others. Remember not to quote a private response unless the original author agrees. Be sure to report what finally worked for you and solved the problem. Title the message appropriately, such as "XXXXX question resolved" so it can be found easily in the archives.

        As on all e-mail lists, there are messages that are not suitable.
        These include:

        1. Posts that are off topic. Allowed topics are /5 tech and repair questions, replies to and advice with regard to these questions, questions about restorations, announcements of 5united gatherings, posts about parts or bikes that are for sale and reports of riding experiences.

        The list is not for small talk and socialising. You cannot possibly socialise this way. There are more than 1300 of you. That prematurely ends all socialising. If you need to talk, there is the slash5-BS list for you, or you can contact the person you want to discuss things with off-list. If you're not sure that your topic is suitable for the list, contact a moderator before posting.

        2. Posts that quote another post in its entirety. We all remember it from the first time. If we missed it, there are the archives. Trim the post you're replying to to the absolute minimum required to make it clear what you're on about.

        3. Jokes and humor. You can get that elsewhere on the internet.

        4. One-liners and � me too !� posts. Comments that you think are funny probably aren't to all the members. Do not interpret this to mean that your tech posts can't be funny. Just don't make a tech post with the intent to be funny.

        5. Endless repetition of what has already been said is no use at all either. As written above, if you get the list in digest format, the question you're typing the answer to right now, has probably been answered already by fifteen others. Is *your* answer so special that 850 people must read it ?

        6. Incorrectly titled posts. Look at the topic of the message you're about to send and ask yourself if the topic reflects the content of the message, and/or makes it clear which thread it is part of. Some people actually *use* the topic of a message to decide whether or not they're going to read it. You'll annoy people if the content of your message is different from what's in the topic.

        7. If a topic is thoroughly covered on the web site at http://groups.yahoo.com, and it's obvious that the person who made the post has not taken the time to explore this web site, then (s)he will be banned from the room until (s)he can prove that (s)he has perused the web site and is familiar with its content.

        8. If you think you have problems with the list, such as not getting some messages (you can always review messages on the website to compare those with what you have received), or not getting any messages, contact the list administration that's listed in the header for every message sent out.

        Finally, some of our list members get their email through services that charge by the byte for data downloads. So anything you can do to help reduce the amount of data in a message helps. This includes quoting only important parts of the message to which you are responding, making intricate, long-winded descriptions as short and concise as possible, eliminating "sigs" and turning off in your mail program any advertising announcements they generally stick onto all your messages.

        Your subscription to the list confirms that you agree to all of these terms. If you have issues with them, leave. We think the rules are reasonable. Please be reasonable yourself and follow them.

        ***Although this will rarely happen, any violation of an unsuitable post rule is grounds for being banned from the list, which may be followed by a public announcement of your departure, along with a reason. You will usually get a warning beforehand, but don't try to stretch it. We're all busy, and are absolutely not jumping up and down to the idea of being your personal babysitter. I'm sure you are not either.***

        The moderator team wishes to limit the number of messages to the list to about 15 per day. Please keep that in mind too before making the effort to post again what you've already seen twice on the list. It prevents disappointments.

        Any questions? Contact the moderators, also know as "List Bastards at Large" for info. Replace -at- in the e-mail-addresses with the silly @ -symbol to get the actual email-addresses.


        Kneale Brownson :kneale-at-coslink.net
        Cris Vande Velde : stenella-at-5united.net
        Your moderator team.

        Some good research links besides messages archives and files and photos sections at the Yahoo website http://groups.yahoo.com/group/5united include the following:

        http://www.5united.net/ The original 5United website

        http://home.jps.net/~snowbum/techindex.htm Snowbum's technical pages

        http://w6rec.com/duane/bmw/index.htm Duane Ausherman's website

        http://www.airheads.org/ The Airheads Club

        http://www.ibmwr.org/ The Internet BMW Riders Organization

        http://www.bmwscotter.org/index.htm Scott Lydiard's great data, pix and tips
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