- Hi gang:>Someone had Mrs. Borden quoted as saying:>"Mr. Borden plans to see that I am well-taken care of when he dies"...Question:Abby was speaking to friends. Why did she say Mr. Borden instead of Andrew or my husband? Her friends knew who he was.>Andrew getting rid of their horse and carriage.Andrew had no handyman and he was getting on in age and no longer wished to have to harness the horse, etc., so he sold the horse and kept the carriage, sleigh and hay (all found in the barn), waiting for someone to offer him a good price for them.>Lizzie not getting blood on herself or her clothes.Simple. Lizzie didn't do the killings.>Andrew's health wasn't that great, perhaps a terminal condition?I no longer have a copy of the coroner's report, but from what I remember, both Abby and Andrew had nearly perfect healths.>The book on household hints on how to get rid of fles in furs by using prussic acid.Ah, the wandering book:1. A policeman found it in the kitchen, open to prussic acid. (How stupid was Lizzie to leave that laying around for the cops to find?)2. District Attorney Hosea Knowlton, of all people, found it on the small table in the sitting room. Who moved it?3. Dr. Bowen found it in Lizzie's bedroom, again falling open to the section on prussic acid.4. Lizzie's version. She never used anything on her furs.<Andrew's murder was an emotional one. Abby's was more detached, methodical, done in a business-like way.I disagree and side with Benjamin Buffinton, the former homicide detective. Abby was the main target and Andrew's murder was the removal of somebody out of the way. Andrew would have told the police that Bridget had been upstairs with Abby BEFORE he left the house. Bridget had no choice but to kill him.<Lizzie's trip with Emma:They separated in New Bedford. Emma went on to Fairhaven, Lizzie to Miss Poole, on Madison Street, in New Bedford. Now let's see other versions:1. Lizzie returned to Fall River and spent several days at roominghouses on Madison Street, returning home Monday morning.2. Has Lizzie going to hotels in Fall River, and coming home Sunday.3. Has Lizzie at roominghouses on Madison Street, and coming home Sunday.4. Has Lizzie visiting Miss Poole in New Bedford, going shopping the following Tuesday, then returning to Fall River.Now for Alice Russell and Mrs. Churchill:<They believed Lizzie to be guilty on the day of the murders. WEIRDYou would like me to believe that Alice Russell, who held the lamp as Lizzie went to the basement the night of the murders, then spent Thurday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights sleeping in the room next to Lizzie? Yeah, right.>Alice and Mrs. Churchill both considered Lizzie capable of murder:I agree with June in that both testified to Lizzie's hair being in place and seeing no blood on her or on her clothing, which tended to show Lizzie was innocent.
- Muriel Arnold" wrote:
>Abby was speaking to friends. Why did sheThat was the way they spoke back then, especially in conservative New
>say Mr. Borden instead of Andrew or my husband?
>Her friends knew who he was.
England...if Abby's friends weren't on a first-name basis with Andrew,
Abby would not have referred to him in that manner when discussing him
with friends and acquaintances...
Heck, some couples used "Mr." and "Mrs." even when talking to each
>Andrew getting rid of their horse and carriage.Where is it documented that Andrew decided he no longer wanted to be
>Andrew had no handyman and he was getting on in
>age and no longer wished to have to harness the
>horse, etc., so he sold the horse and kept the
>carriage, sleigh and hay (all found in the barn),
>waiting for someone to offer him a good price
bothered harnessing the horse?
Sure he was getting up there in age, but what prompted him to make a
rather drastic decision in 1891 instead of 1890?
No, it seems something started going on in the family in 1891 that
drastically altered the status quo...it seems that Andrew in that year
started making decisions that seem to be a consolidation, a trimming
back, a tying-up of loose ends. He'd been "up there in age" for some
time, but something in 1891 seems to have got him to thinking about
his own mortality...
>I no longer have a copy of the coroner's report,Actually, I remember noting that at least on Abby's autopsy there's
>but from what I remember, both Abby and Andrew
>had nearly perfect healths.
something noted that suggests she may have had some sort of tumor
in "the female organs"...could have been benign, not much is said in
the autopsy about it, but I remember making a note of it...
There was something in Andrew's autopsy that I thought odd, too, but
I'll have to dig around for my notes...
Remember, back in those days something like cancer was considered
quite shameful, and it wasn't unknown for coroners to omit mention of
such a condition (or obviously "shameful" conditions like venereal
disease) if they thought it didn't matter, IOW if the condition wasn't
considered material to the cause of death. So since they knew the
victims had been murdered via axe blows to the head, and since they
were primarily looking for evidence of any poisoning, they may have
decided to omit any mention of something like cancer to spare the next-
>Ah, the wandering book:Or how brilliant...it proved her contention that she wanted to buy
>1. A policeman found it in the kitchen, open to
>(How stupid was Lizzie to leave that laying around
>for the cops to find?)
prussic acid to get rid of fleas in a fur collar...
Of course, she also denied being the woman trying to buy prussic acid
the weekend before...
And I think it odd that it "just happened" to be in the kitchen opened
to that exact article....