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gopro 3 3d kit
this "photo" (or at least a quality photoshop effort) perhaps
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/next-hero-3-black-version-plus-september-t13285-90.html#p78800
if it is real I wonder how they will get the data on a single microsd card
PeterM
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Today I saw a photo of the gopro 3 3d kit. I hope that means it is available soon.philPS hate the new yahoo layout.Nope. The one I saw was real :-)
It is similar to the H2 kit. Two cameras connected by a sync cable. But the sync cable has big connections for some reason. If I find a link to the news I will post.
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this "photo" (or at least a quality photoshop effort) perhaps
http://goprouser.freeforums.org/next-hero-3-black-version-plus-september-t13285-90.html#p78800
if it is real I wonder how they will get the data on a single microsd card
PeterM
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Today I saw a photo of the gopro 3 3d kit. I hope that means it is available soon.philPS hate the new yahoo layout.- Phil,
I am unable to quote your posting when Replying.
Yahoo Neo is such total garbage that I found it unusable.
I could not even reply to posts.
So, I followed the tip given by Linda on Photo3D and installed the ModPlugin for Firefox to take me back to Yahoo Classic view.
(on some forums, like this,it means quoting posts does not work).
http://wiki.modplugin.org/Install_the_Extension
David This is a fake photo. Unless two hero 3 cams can fit into the space of 1. Its just a photoshop of a single gopro hero 3 cam.
--- In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <killspammers2@...> wrote:
Phil,
I am unable to quote your posting when Replying.
Yahoo Neo is such total garbage that I found it unusable.
I could not even reply to posts.
So, I followed the tip given by Linda on Photo3D and installed the ModPlugin for Firefox to take me back to Yahoo Classic view.
(on some forums, like this,it means quoting posts does not work).
http://wiki.modplugin.org/Install_the_Extension
Davidreply to this message
click ...(the three points) to show message history and bingo you can reply the actual message like i do now. I understand nerving moviesynch-weeks was rotating our brain too much.
Michael P.
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Phil,
I am unable to quote your posting when Replying.
Yahoo Neo is such total garbage that I found it unusable.
I could not even reply to posts.
So, I followed the tip given by Linda on Photo3D and installed the ModPlugin for Firefox to take me back to Yahoo Classic view.
(on some forums, like this,it means quoting posts does not work).
http://wiki.modplugin.org/Install_the_Extension
DavidIn Stereoforum Andy has shown this/his 3d-adapter
http://www.ebay.de/itm/281170140009?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649
its ndkoa item no
281170140009
Michael P.---In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
reply to this message
click ...(the three points) to show message history and bingo you can reply the actual message like i do now. I understand nerving moviesynch-weeks was rotating our brain too much.
Michael P.
--- In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Phil,
I am unable to quote your posting when Replying.
Yahoo Neo is such total garbage that I found it unusable.
I could not even reply to posts.
So, I followed the tip given by Linda on Photo3D and installed the ModPlugin for Firefox to take me back to Yahoo Classic view.
(on some forums, like this,it means quoting posts does not work).
http://wiki.modplugin.org/Install_the_Extension
DavidJust heard from a 'source' close to GoPro - he claims there will be no 3D for Hero 3 - as the Hero 4 will be released in Nov. Hero 3 will only continue as 'Black Edition' and will drop in price...
Hero 4 will be the one with 3D but he wasn't sure if it will be on the initial release or somewhere down the line - he didn't think they were going to make another housing for the cameras, but rather a mount of some kind...
take this for what it's worth... the only certain thing is that GoPro just announced discount pricing on the Hero 3 black/silver editions...
V
---In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Today I saw a photo of the gopro 3 3d kit. I hope that means it is available soon.philPS hate the new yahoo layout.Oh, and BTW; he claims the Hero 4 will do 4k video @ 30fps, as well as 1080p video at 120fps, 720p @ 240fps... again, not official or confirmed, but interesting -
has anybody had any luck 'syncing' the Hero 3's with the remotes? I've seen people on YouTube claiming this 'syncs' the cameras enough for 3D....haven't tried it, but curious...
V
---In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Just heard from a 'source' close to GoPro - he claims there will be no 3D for Hero 3 - as the Hero 4 will be released in Nov. Hero 3 will only continue as 'Black Edition' and will drop in price...
Hero 4 will be the one with 3D but he wasn't sure if it will be on the initial release or somewhere down the line - he didn't think they were going to make another housing for the cameras, but rather a mount of some kind...
take this for what it's worth... the only certain thing is that GoPro just announced discount pricing on the Hero 3 black/silver editions...
V
---In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:Today I saw a photo of the gopro 3 3d kit. I hope that means it is available soon.philPS hate the new yahoo layout.> Just heard from a 'source' close to GoPro ... Hero 4 will be
I feel like I'm waiting for Godot. But I remain optimistic.
> the one with 3D but he wasn't sure if it will be on the initial
> release or somewhere down the line...
Thanks for the insider report!
...BC> has anybody had any luck 'syncing' the Hero 3's with the remotes?
The remotes don't sync by a long shot... sometimes starting one camera as
much as a half a second after the other one.
It's worthy to note that if the speed of your subject material is correctly
matched to your frame rate, you can have reasonable luck getting usable
footage without sync. Running without sync is not recommended for any
subject or camera support that creates on-screen movement of more than a
pixel or two of distance per frame / time interval.
Without sync, shooting talking heads with a tripod at 60p will usually get
you usable 3D, shooting skateboarding handheld at 24p will usually not...
but even that is a numbers game, as there's always a chance you can luck
into reasonable sync with any given shot. I wouldn't bet money on it,
though.
-EricThere has been some discussion in other forums about post-syncing. It is possible, but usually not likely. Here is why: If you happen to be exactly one whole frame out of sync, yes, you can pull a frame in post and be exactly in sync. But, the odds are very much against it. Considering the number of possible fractional frames that your sync can be off by, usually no post correction will take care of this. It is very subjective, of course, and if there is not much motion, as Eric said, a post push or pull may get you slightly closer. But, it still will be off. And, while you can sometimes get away with a very slight audio mis-sync in 2D, in 3D the slightest error becomes noticeable in the image.
On Sep 27, 2013 3:16 AM, "Eric Deren" <eric_list@...> wrote:> has anybody had any luck 'syncing' the Hero 3's with the remotes?
The remotes don't sync by a long shot... sometimes starting one camera as
much as a half a second after the other one.
It's worthy to note that if the speed of your subject material is correctly
matched to your frame rate, you can have reasonable luck getting usable
footage without sync. Running without sync is not recommended for any
subject or camera support that creates on-screen movement of more than a
pixel or two of distance per frame / time interval.
Without sync, shooting talking heads with a tripod at 60p will usually get
you usable 3D, shooting skateboarding handheld at 24p will usually not...
but even that is a numbers game, as there's always a chance you can luck
into reasonable sync with any given shot. I wouldn't bet money on it,
though.
-Eric
- It's funny how the FIRST rule of 3D has always been cameras (both still and video) that in sync - I remember 'in the day' when I used to have my mechanical shutters checked for sync and if they were even 1/400 of second out of sync (as happened on an old twin rig I had) I would hold my head in shame and wonder how I would ever make 3D photos... and now on youtube there are dozens of 'experts' claiming to 'sync' gopros and other video cameras with remotes, cellophane and bubblegum! I was at the LA 3D Film Festival a week or so ago and there was a documentary about Ireland that had some of the worst 3D I have ever seen, if you tried to get every single imaginable 3D violation into one film as a means of demonstration, you still wouldn't produce something like this; afterwards in the 'Q&A' the stereographer they shot with a couple of Canon Vixia cameras and was 'impressed' with how easy they were to match, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. The only positive thing to be said about the experience - it made the bad conversions I've seen seem much better 3D by comparison... which is tooo bad... the fight goes on...just my 3 centsV
From: JR <stereoscope3d@...>
To: 3dtv@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, September 27, 2013 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [3dtv] RE: RE: gopro 3 3d kit
There has been some discussion in other forums about post-syncing. It is possible, but usually not likely. Here is why: If you happen to be exactly one whole frame out of sync, yes, you can pull a frame in post and be exactly in sync. But, the odds are very much against it. Considering the number of possible fractional frames that your sync can be off by, usually no post correction will take care of this. It is very subjective, of course, and if there is not much motion, as Eric said, a post push or pull may get you slightly closer. But, it still will be off. And, while you can sometimes get away with a very slight audio mis-sync in 2D, in 3D the slightest error becomes noticeable in the image.On Sep 27, 2013 3:16 AM, "Eric Deren" <eric_list@...> wrote:> has anybody had any luck 'syncing' the Hero 3's with the remotes?
The remotes don't sync by a long shot... sometimes starting one camera as
much as a half a second after the other one.
It's worthy to note that if the speed of your subject material is correctly
matched to your frame rate, you can have reasonable luck getting usable
footage without sync. Running without sync is not recommended for any
subject or camera support that creates on-screen movement of more than a
pixel or two of distance per frame / time interval.
Without sync, shooting talking heads with a tripod at 60p will usually get
you usable 3D, shooting skateboarding handheld at 24p will usually not...
but even that is a numbers game, as there's always a chance you can luck
into reasonable sync with any given shot. I wouldn't bet money on it,
though.
-Eric
> and now on youtube there are dozens of 'experts' claiming to 'sync' gopros
It depends on the subject. If your subject is moving quickly (like that old
> and other video cameras with remotes, cellophane and bubblegum!
skydiving film of mine), 1/400 of a second of mis-sync wouldn't have cut it.
If your subject is moving slowly, even 4 seconds (or more) of mis-sync can
be fine.
I was shooting for a Nat Geo 3D IMAX film recently where I was doing single
camera stereo... one high-resolution still camera and a stepper-motor
controlled slider for the old-school "cha-cha" method... most of my frames
were taken 3-4 seconds apart, and everything worked great because my subject
was moving very slowly.
So yes, the requirements of sync are solely based on the subject matter. No
need to hang your head in shame at 1/400s mis-sync if it captured the shot.
An "expert" uses exactly the technology he/she needs to execute the shot.
-Eric- From: jrchristopher2007@...To: John RUpkalvis & 3DTV Yahoo GroupRe: Everything but the kitchen synchDate: Friday, September 27, 2013JR & fellow 3D yahoos:True. However, that assumes you are doing dual projection polarized. With Real D and active glasses, a split-synch is already factored in. I think Tom Koester was saying a quarter-frame off in either direction is compatible with active glasses/Real D? He originally shot SLOW GLASS and others without synching cameras, flipping the frame in post when it was a quarter off, depending on which direction the drift.Of course, that was old wild-west days, and there is no excuse for off-synch by intentional neglect, now. Then again, we are still not in consensus on how to spell the darn thing. Synch is short for synchronization.Out of my depth and synch-ing fast -- JRC
- Date: Friday, September 27, 2013John RUpkalvis"True. However, that assumes you are doing dual projection polarized. With Real D and active glasses, a split-synch is already factored in. I think Tom Koester was saying a quarter-frame off in either direction is compatible with active glasses/Real D?"Temporal disparity is baked in to the velocity of objects composed in a stereo pair when view sequentially wether the pair is projected simultaneous or asynchronous. If temporal sync is achieved when the stereo pair is originally captured, a stereo progressive tachistoscopic viewing of an assigned left and right stereo pair is not discernible by human visual perception.Max Penner
> Synch is short for synchronization.
So is sync.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sync
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sync
> we are still not in consensus on how to spell the darn thing
Sometimes multiple words can mean the same thing. We don't have to have a
consensus if they're both acceptable.
-EricGopro have released a Gopro 3+ (black and silver editions) with little spec difference except for a new lens (less chromatic aberration), better Wifi latency, and better in camera color processing. The case is a little smaller, but otherwise the camera seems to have the same dimensions, buttons etc. Protune is dropped from the Silver edition. No mention of a 3d kit!
PeterM
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Today I saw a photo of the gopro 3 3d kit. I hope that means it is available soon.philPS hate the new yahoo layout.- Another "promising" realtime 2d to 3d converter on kickstarter watch video
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1991665813/instant-3-d-your-games-in-real-3-d-on-your-2-d-and?ref=live
Cheers
Philip - I have seen a 2d-3d-conversion on Samsung 3dtv. when camera is showing the act on stage, then quality was good, but very bad when camera was aimed towards the people in the sun.
Michael P.---In 3dtv@yahoogroups.com, <3dtv@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Appears to be frame shifted in auto converted demos LOL
http://www.3-dvision.com/3-D-demos.htm