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  • wa3frp
    I ve always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award. I may be in error but I believe that
    Message 1 of 29 , Feb 3, 2014
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      I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


      Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


      Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


      My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


      Thanks and 73

      Russ WA3FRP

    • Scott
      I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system. The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for. The awards run
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        I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

        The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

        The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

        With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

        I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

        I have some concerns myself.

        There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

        Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

        I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

        The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

        At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

        Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

        73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















         

        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
        From: wa3frp@...
        Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
        Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

         

        I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


        Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


        Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


        My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


        Thanks and 73
        Russ WA3FRP


      • Scott
        Regarding Russ s analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required. Besides the
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          Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

          Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

          However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

          Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

          You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.



          To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
          From: scott_currier@...
          Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

           

          I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

          The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

          The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

          With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

          I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

          I have some concerns myself.

          There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

          Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

          I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

          The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

          At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

          Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

          73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















           

          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
          From: wa3frp@...
          Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
          Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

           

          I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


          Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


          Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


          My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


          Thanks and 73
          Russ WA3FRP



        • Don Leitch
          Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years. My asia is probably not achievable I have 8 out of 20 Africa
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            Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

            Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

            I agree they should be reviewed

            Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

            Don zl1atb

             

            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
            Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

             

             

            Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

            Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

            However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

            Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

            You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


            To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
            From: scott_currier@...
            Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

             

             

            I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

            The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

            The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

            With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

            I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

            I have some concerns myself.

            There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

            Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

            I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

            The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

            At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

            Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

            73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















             


            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
            From: wa3frp@...
            Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
            Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

             


            I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


            Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


            Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


            My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


            Thanks and 73
            Russ WA3FRP

             

          • Barry
            Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award. I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just
            Message 5 of 29 , Feb 4, 2014
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              Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

              I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

              Barry M0IOW

               




              Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

              Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

              I agree they should be reviewed

              Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

              Don zl1atb

               

               

              Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

              Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

              However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

              Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

              You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


               

               

              I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

              The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

              The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

              With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

              I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

              I have some concerns myself.

              There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

              Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

              I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

              The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

              At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

              Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

              73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


              I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


              Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


              Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


              My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


              Thanks and 73
              Russ WA3FRP

               

               

              ,_.___




            • Scott
              Barry, it s always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always. Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your
              Message 6 of 29 , Feb 4, 2014
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                Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                 
                Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                 
                At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                 
                73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                 
                Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                 

                To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                From: Barry@...
                Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                 

                Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                Barry M0IOW

                 




                Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                I agree they should be reviewed

                Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                Don zl1atb

                 

                 

                Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                 

                 

                I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                I have some concerns myself.

                There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                Thanks and 73
                Russ WA3FRP

                 

                 

                ,_.___





              • Scott
                Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We re expecting 6 to 12 of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We re getting
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                  Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We're expecting 6 to 12" of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We're getting cold, cold, and more cold.
                   
                  What modes do you work on 30? 
                   
                  Do you do any CW?
                   
                  I find that for the DX awards CW is almost essential or at least very very helpful. However, that's of little or no help to those that don't operate CW.
                   
                  I am not suggesting that those who don't operate CW should. There are modes that I don't care for and if I miss DX because I don't operate those modes, so be it.
                   
                  JT65 is pretty helpful for long haul DX.
                   
                  73 and I hope you have a good week.
                   
                  Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA 




















                   

                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                  From: don@...
                  Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:50:11 +1300
                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                   

                  Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                  Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                  I agree they should be reviewed

                  Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                  Don zl1atb

                   

                  From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                  Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                   

                   

                  Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                  Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                  However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                  Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                  You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                  To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
                  From: scott_currier@...
                  Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                   

                   

                  I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                  The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                  The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                  With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                  I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                  I have some concerns myself.

                  There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                  Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                  I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                  The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                  At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                  Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                  73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















                   


                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                  From: wa3frp@...
                  Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
                  Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                   


                  I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                  Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                  Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                  My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                  Thanks and 73
                  Russ WA3FRP

                   


                • Barry Cant
                  Hi, yes another award, sounds good to me Scott. Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013 My web site on Amateur Radio, the History of the Isle of Wight &
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                    Hi, yes another award, sounds good to me Scott.

                    Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013 My web site on Amateur Radio,
                    the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.
                    www.india-whisky.org.uk


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                    > Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and
                    > improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer
                    > an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for
                    > each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made
                    > easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each
                    > continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other
                    > continents more difficult.
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                    > At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things
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                    >73 and I hope your winter is going well.
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                    > Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the
                    > award. I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to
                    > change the goalpost, just my thought.Barry M0IOW
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                    > Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30
                    > every evening for years. My asia is probably not achievable I have 8 out
                    > of 20Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is
                    > 8 out of 10I agree they should be reviewedOceania I have 33 out of 5 but
                    > then I live in that area.Don zl1atb Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX
                    > Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large
                    > percentage of Asian entities required.
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                    > Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of
                    > the entities aren't very active or active at all.
                    >
                    > However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I
                    > think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.
                    >
                    > Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly
                    > close?
                    >
                    > You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania,
                    > Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring
                    > everything in line. I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award
                    > system.
                    >
                    > The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are
                    > fun to try for.
                    >
                    >The awards run from very easy to very difficult.
                    >
                    >With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.
                    >
                    > I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for
                    > and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.
                    >
                    >I have some concerns myself.
                    >
                    > There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these
                    > stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?
                    >
                    > Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only
                    > activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great
                    > South, Great North?
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                    > I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine
                    > tuning.
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                    > The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that
                    > they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards
                    > may not be attainable.
                    >
                    > At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I
                    > would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was
                    > not there.
                    >
                    >Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.
                    >
                    >73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA
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                    > I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of
                    > required continents was determined for this award. I may be in error but
                    > I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities
                    > in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in
                    > Asia and 5 in Oceania.
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                    > Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is
                    > currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in
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                    > award was conceived?
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                    > My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of
                    > the DXCC Asian entities. At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent
                    > of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa,
                    > 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent
                    > for Europe.
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                  • Don Leitch
                    Hi Scott yep I work cw I have 77 countries on cw now, if it wasn t for that mode my numbers would be way down. modes I use are cw jt65 psk rtty, the others I
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                      Hi Scott yep I work cw I have 77 countries on cw now, if it wasn’t for that mode my numbers would be way down. modes I use are cw jt65 psk rtty, the others I never ever hear down in this part of the world .

                      Rob from Christchurch used to get all sorts with his big antenna  but I only have space for a loop.

                      Summer well its been a hot but windy one , the last few days 28 deg at peak . I fly model planes as another hobby, and the farm land as all burnt dry,  the soil cracked, and the air out there hard to breath.

                      Feb is usually our settled month and the last few days have been 5 knots , with afternoon sea breezes.

                      When I mentioned my award numbers I was wrong for Africa I have 7 out of 10    bad typo oops. I just feel if I haven’t got most countries at sun spot peak I probably wont get them.

                      Don zl1atb

                       

                      From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                      Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 5:06 a.m.
                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                       

                       

                      Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We're expecting 6 to 12" of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We're getting cold, cold, and more cold.
                       
                      What modes do you work on 30? 
                       
                      Do you do any CW?
                       
                      I find that for the DX awards CW is almost essential or at least very very helpful. However, that's of little or no help to those that don't operate CW.
                       
                      I am not suggesting that those who don't operate CW should. There are modes that I don't care for and if I miss DX because I don't operate those modes, so be it.
                       
                      JT65 is pretty helpful for long haul DX.
                       
                      73 and I hope you have a good week.
                       
                      Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA 




















                       


                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                      From: don@...
                      Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:50:11 +1300
                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                       

                      Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                      Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                      I agree they should be reviewed

                      Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                      Don zl1atb

                       

                      From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                      Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                       

                       

                      Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                      Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                      However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                      Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                      You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                      To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
                      From: scott_currier@...
                      Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                       

                       

                      I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                      The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                      The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                      With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                      I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                      I have some concerns myself.

                      There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                      Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                      I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                      The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                      At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                      Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                      73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















                       


                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                      From: wa3frp@...
                      Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
                      Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                       


                      I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                      Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                      Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                      My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                      Thanks and 73
                      Russ WA3FRP

                       

                       

                    • Scott
                      Hi Don, I see your point. I didn t realize that Africa was so far for you. Short path to the closest part of Africa looked to be about 7500 miles. I d be
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                        Hi Don, I see your point. I didn't realize that Africa was so far for you. Short path to the closest part of Africa looked to be about 7500 miles. 
                         
                        I'd be tempted to consider a dipole in addition to the loop if you can do it. A/B test them and if there is an improvement in performance use the dipole as well.
                         
                        A 30 meter dipole is about 50 feet in round numbers. If necessary you can let 1/4 of that length hang down on each end without a significant performance hit. That would require only 25 feet of horizontal length.
                         
                        The wind must be making flying models quite difficult.
                         
                        My recollection is that 30 is good regardless of where you are in the sunspot cycle. I think that during the low parts it's open more and more people will be using it. I wouldn't let that concern you.
                         
                        What kind of loop are you using and how high is it?
                         
                        I have an 80 meter OCF dipole and I just put up a warc band fan dipole. The improvement on 30 meters was night and day. Several S units all the time in A/B tests. Regardless of where the station is from. On 17 the fan dipole is consistently better but not by as much. On 12 meters the fan and the 80 meter dipole are very similar. Depends on where the signal is coming from. On 10 meters, same thing.
                         
                        I was so impressed that I have a 10/15/20 meter fan dipole that I will put up when the weather get's better. I looke forward to comparing it to the OCF. My gut feeling is that the antennas will be similar but we shall see.
                         
                        So, maybe it is worth trying a monoband 30 meter antenna in addition to the loop and see what happens.
                         
                        I've also had good luck with a 30 meter vertical dipole hanging from a tree.
                         
                        BTW, did you work FT5ZM? That's Africa according to the ARRL DXCC list. That would be one more and it's only about 4300 miles from you.
                         
                        I worked them on 30 cw.
                         
                        73 and have a great day.
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         
                         





















                         

                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                        From: don@...
                        Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:53:01 +1300
                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         

                        Hi Scott yep I work cw I have 77 countries on cw now, if it wasn’t for that mode my numbers would be way down. modes I use are cw jt65 psk rtty, the others I never ever hear down in this part of the world .

                        Rob from Christchurch used to get all sorts with his big antenna  but I only have space for a loop.

                        Summer well its been a hot but windy one , the last few days 28 deg at peak . I fly model planes as another hobby, and the farm land as all burnt dry,  the soil cracked, and the air out there hard to breath.

                        Feb is usually our settled month and the last few days have been 5 knots , with afternoon sea breezes.

                        When I mentioned my award numbers I was wrong for Africa I have 7 out of 10    bad typo oops. I just feel if I haven’t got most countries at sun spot peak I probably wont get them.

                        Don zl1atb

                         

                        From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                        Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 5:06 a.m.
                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         

                         

                        Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We're expecting 6 to 12" of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We're getting cold, cold, and more cold.
                         
                        What modes do you work on 30? 
                         
                        Do you do any CW?
                         
                        I find that for the DX awards CW is almost essential or at least very very helpful. However, that's of little or no help to those that don't operate CW.
                         
                        I am not suggesting that those who don't operate CW should. There are modes that I don't care for and if I miss DX because I don't operate those modes, so be it.
                         
                        JT65 is pretty helpful for long haul DX.
                         
                        73 and I hope you have a good week.
                         
                        Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA 




















                         


                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                        From: don@...
                        Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:50:11 +1300
                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         

                        Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                        Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                        I agree they should be reviewed

                        Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                        Don zl1atb

                         

                        From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                        Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         

                         

                        Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                        Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                        However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                        Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                        You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                        To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
                        From: scott_currier@...
                        Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         

                         

                        I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                        The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                        The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                        With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                        I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                        I have some concerns myself.

                        There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                        Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                        I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                        The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                        At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                        Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                        73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















                         


                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                        From: wa3frp@...
                        Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
                        Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                         


                        I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                        Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                        Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                        My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                        Thanks and 73
                        Russ WA3FRP

                         

                         


                      • Barry
                        Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso s in JT65 & PSK31. I am always interested in the aerials others use. My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped
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                          Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                          I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                          My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                          As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                          I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                          73

                          Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                          http:// www.30mdg.net

                          European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                           

                          http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                           

                          My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                          www.india-whisky.org.uk

                           

                           

                           

                           

                          From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                          Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                           




                          Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                           
                          Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                           
                          At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                           
                          73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                           
                          Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                           


                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                          From: Barry@...
                          Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                           

                          Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                          I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                          Barry M0IOW

                           



                          Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                          Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                          I agree they should be reviewed

                          Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                          Don zl1atb

                           

                           

                          Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                          Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                          However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                          Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                          You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                           

                           

                          I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                          The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                          The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                          With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                          I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                          I have some concerns myself.

                          There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                          Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                          I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                          The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                          At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                          Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                          73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                          I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                          Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                          Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                          My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                          Thanks and 73
                          Russ WA3FRP

                           

                           

                          ,_.___



                           




                        • Don Leitch
                          Gudday Scott The loop is a delta loop vertically fed its peak is 50 feet I do have an ocfd for 80 but no warac fan, 30 in zl is nothing like you get in U.S.A.
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                            Gudday Scott

                            The loop is a delta loop vertically fed its peak is 50 feet

                            I do have an ocfd for 80 but no warac fan, 30 in zl is nothing like you get in U.S.A. it works for me anyway 6.00 pm till 8.00 pm and some mornings , there is hardly any traffic a good night is 10 stations on air,  but average two or three. Mostly its the same ones every day. Some nights no one at all. Then one day  its frantic 40 stations EU & U.S.A. some sth America ,argies and brazil, Robbin in malta

                            FT5ZM   nope never heard them on any band at all yet, I see them spotted, so I check but nothing. 30 has really gone downhill for me these last few months. At the bottom of the cycle I may have heard one vk  per 3 months .

                            I have spotted south Africa a few times but they are there for a few minutes and gone, I have never worked them.

                            Don zl1atb

                             

                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                            Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 9:27 a.m.
                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                             

                            Hi Don, I see your point. I didn't realize that Africa was so far for you. Short path to the closest part of Africa looked to be about 7500 miles. 
                             
                            I'd be tempted to consider a dipole in addition to the loop if you can do it. A/B test them and if there is an improvement in performance use the dipole as well.
                             
                            A 30 meter dipole is about 50 feet in round numbers. If necessary you can let 1/4 of that length hang down on each end without a significant performance hit. That would require only 25 feet of horizontal length.
                             
                            The wind must be making flying models quite difficult.
                             
                            My recollection is that 30 is good regardless of where you are in the sunspot cycle. I think that during the low parts it's open more and more people will be using it. I wouldn't let that concern you.
                             
                            What kind of loop are you using and how high is it?
                             
                            I have an 80 meter OCF dipole and I just put up a warc band fan dipole. The improvement on 30 meters was night and day. Several S units all the time in A/B tests. Regardless of where the station is from. On 17 the fan dipole is consistently better but not by as much. On 12 meters the fan and the 80 meter dipole are very similar. Depends on where the signal is coming from. On 10 meters, same thing.
                             
                            I was so impressed that I have a 10/15/20 meter fan dipole that I will put up when the weather get's better. I looke forward to comparing it to the OCF. My gut feeling is that the antennas will be similar but we shall see.
                             
                            So, maybe it is worth trying a monoband 30 meter antenna in addition to the loop and see what happens.
                             
                            I've also had good luck with a 30 meter vertical dipole hanging from a tree.
                             
                            BTW, did you work FT5ZM? That's Africa according to the ARRL DXCC list. That would be one more and it's only about 4300 miles from you.
                             
                            I worked them on 30 cw.
                             
                            73 and have a great day.
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             
                             





















                             


                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            From: don@...
                            Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:53:01 +1300
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                            Hi Scott yep I work cw I have 77 countries on cw now, if it wasn’t for that mode my numbers would be way down. modes I use are cw jt65 psk rtty, the others I never ever hear down in this part of the world .

                            Rob from Christchurch used to get all sorts with his big antenna  but I only have space for a loop.

                            Summer well its been a hot but windy one , the last few days 28 deg at peak . I fly model planes as another hobby, and the farm land as all burnt dry,  the soil cracked, and the air out there hard to breath.

                            Feb is usually our settled month and the last few days have been 5 knots , with afternoon sea breezes.

                            When I mentioned my award numbers I was wrong for Africa I have 7 out of 10    bad typo oops. I just feel if I haven’t got most countries at sun spot peak I probably wont get them.

                            Don zl1atb

                             

                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                            Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 5:06 a.m.
                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                             

                            Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We're expecting 6 to 12" of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We're getting cold, cold, and more cold.
                             
                            What modes do you work on 30? 
                             
                            Do you do any CW?
                             
                            I find that for the DX awards CW is almost essential or at least very very helpful. However, that's of little or no help to those that don't operate CW.
                             
                            I am not suggesting that those who don't operate CW should. There are modes that I don't care for and if I miss DX because I don't operate those modes, so be it.
                             
                            JT65 is pretty helpful for long haul DX.
                             
                            73 and I hope you have a good week.
                             
                            Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA 




















                             


                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            From: don@...
                            Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:50:11 +1300
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                            Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                            Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                            I agree they should be reviewed

                            Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                            Don zl1atb

                             

                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                            Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                             

                            Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                            Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                            However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                            Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                            You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                            To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
                            From: scott_currier@...
                            Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             

                             

                            I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                            The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                            The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                            With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                            I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                            I have some concerns myself.

                            There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                            Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                            I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                            The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                            At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                            Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                            73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















                             


                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                            From: wa3frp@...
                            Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
                            Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                             


                            I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                            Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                            Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                            My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                            Thanks and 73
                            Russ WA3FRP

                             

                             

                             

                          • Scott
                            Good day Don, that loop sounds like a pretty good antenna. I didn t realize that 30 was that dead down in your part of the world. Here there is activity almost
                            Message 13 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                              Good day Don, that loop sounds like a pretty good antenna. I didn't realize that 30 was that dead down in your part of the world. Here there is activity almost around the clock. Openings to VK are fairly regular but I don't hear ZL that often. At least not lately.
                               
                              Thanks for the reply and I hope you have a good night.
                               
                              73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA
                               





















                               

                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              From: don@...
                              Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 16:21:17 +1300
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                              Gudday Scott

                              The loop is a delta loop vertically fed its peak is 50 feet

                              I do have an ocfd for 80 but no warac fan, 30 in zl is nothing like you get in U.S.A. it works for me anyway 6.00 pm till 8.00 pm and some mornings , there is hardly any traffic a good night is 10 stations on air,  but average two or three. Mostly its the same ones every day. Some nights no one at all. Then one day  its frantic 40 stations EU & U.S.A. some sth America ,argies and brazil, Robbin in malta

                              FT5ZM   nope never heard them on any band at all yet, I see them spotted, so I check but nothing. 30 has really gone downhill for me these last few months. At the bottom of the cycle I may have heard one vk  per 3 months .

                              I have spotted south Africa a few times but they are there for a few minutes and gone, I have never worked them.

                              Don zl1atb

                               

                              From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                              Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 9:27 a.m.
                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                               

                              Hi Don, I see your point. I didn't realize that Africa was so far for you. Short path to the closest part of Africa looked to be about 7500 miles. 
                               
                              I'd be tempted to consider a dipole in addition to the loop if you can do it. A/B test them and if there is an improvement in performance use the dipole as well.
                               
                              A 30 meter dipole is about 50 feet in round numbers. If necessary you can let 1/4 of that length hang down on each end without a significant performance hit. That would require only 25 feet of horizontal length.
                               
                              The wind must be making flying models quite difficult.
                               
                              My recollection is that 30 is good regardless of where you are in the sunspot cycle. I think that during the low parts it's open more and more people will be using it. I wouldn't let that concern you.
                               
                              What kind of loop are you using and how high is it?
                               
                              I have an 80 meter OCF dipole and I just put up a warc band fan dipole. The improvement on 30 meters was night and day. Several S units all the time in A/B tests. Regardless of where the station is from. On 17 the fan dipole is consistently better but not by as much. On 12 meters the fan and the 80 meter dipole are very similar. Depends on where the signal is coming from. On 10 meters, same thing.
                               
                              I was so impressed that I have a 10/15/20 meter fan dipole that I will put up when the weather get's better. I looke forward to comparing it to the OCF. My gut feeling is that the antennas will be similar but we shall see.
                               
                              So, maybe it is worth trying a monoband 30 meter antenna in addition to the loop and see what happens.
                               
                              I've also had good luck with a 30 meter vertical dipole hanging from a tree.
                               
                              BTW, did you work FT5ZM? That's Africa according to the ARRL DXCC list. That would be one more and it's only about 4300 miles from you.
                               
                              I worked them on 30 cw.
                               
                              73 and have a great day.
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               
                               





















                               


                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              From: don@...
                              Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 08:53:01 +1300
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                              Hi Scott yep I work cw I have 77 countries on cw now, if it wasn’t for that mode my numbers would be way down. modes I use are cw jt65 psk rtty, the others I never ever hear down in this part of the world .

                              Rob from Christchurch used to get all sorts with his big antenna  but I only have space for a loop.

                              Summer well its been a hot but windy one , the last few days 28 deg at peak . I fly model planes as another hobby, and the farm land as all burnt dry,  the soil cracked, and the air out there hard to breath.

                              Feb is usually our settled month and the last few days have been 5 knots , with afternoon sea breezes.

                              When I mentioned my award numbers I was wrong for Africa I have 7 out of 10    bad typo oops. I just feel if I haven’t got most countries at sun spot peak I probably wont get them.

                              Don zl1atb

                               

                              From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                              Sent: Wednesday, 5 February 2014 5:06 a.m.
                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                               

                              Hi Don, I hope things are going well with you. We're expecting 6 to 12" of snow tomorrow. I hope your summer is going better than our winter. We're getting cold, cold, and more cold.
                               
                              What modes do you work on 30? 
                               
                              Do you do any CW?
                               
                              I find that for the DX awards CW is almost essential or at least very very helpful. However, that's of little or no help to those that don't operate CW.
                               
                              I am not suggesting that those who don't operate CW should. There are modes that I don't care for and if I miss DX because I don't operate those modes, so be it.
                               
                              JT65 is pretty helpful for long haul DX.
                               
                              73 and I hope you have a good week.
                               
                              Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA 




















                               


                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              From: don@...
                              Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 13:50:11 +1300
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                              Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                              Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                              I agree they should be reviewed

                              Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                              Don zl1atb

                               

                              From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                              Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014 9:11 a.m.
                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                               

                              Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                              Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                              However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                              Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                              You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                              To: 30mdg@yahoogroups.com
                              From: scott_currier@...
                              Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 19:41:39 +0000
                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               

                               

                              I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                              The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                              The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                              With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                              I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                              I have some concerns myself.

                              There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                              Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                              I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                              The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                              At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                              Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                              73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA






















                               


                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                              From: wa3frp@...
                              Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2014 07:50:17 -0800
                              Subject: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                               


                              I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                              Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                              Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                              My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                              Thanks and 73
                              Russ WA3FRP

                               

                               

                               


                            • Scott
                              Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I m happy with it. Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung
                              Message 14 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                 
                                Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                 
                                How high do the winds get there.
                                 
                                Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                 
                                Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                 
                                Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                 
                                Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                 

                                To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                From: Barry@...
                                Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                 

                                Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                73

                                Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                http:// www.30mdg.net

                                European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                 

                                http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                 

                                My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                 

                                From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                 




                                Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                 
                                Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                 
                                At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                 
                                73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                 
                                Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                 


                                To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                From: Barry@...
                                Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                 

                                Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                Barry M0IOW

                                 



                                Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                I agree they should be reviewed

                                Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                Don zl1atb

                                 

                                 

                                Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                 

                                 

                                I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                I have some concerns myself.

                                There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                Thanks and 73
                                Russ WA3FRP

                                 

                                 

                                ,_.___



                                 





                              • Barry
                                Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times. We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this
                                Message 15 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                  Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                  We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                  You can keep the snow :-)

                                  ATB

                                  Barry M0IOW

                                   

                                  From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                  Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                   




                                  Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                   
                                  Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                   
                                  How high do the winds get there.
                                   
                                  Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                   
                                  Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                   
                                  Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                   
                                  Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                   


                                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: Barry@...
                                  Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                   

                                  Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                  I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                  My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                  As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                  I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                  73

                                  Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                  http:// www.30mdg.net

                                  European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                   

                                  http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                   

                                  My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                  www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                   

                                  From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                  Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                   



                                  Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                   
                                  Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                   
                                  At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                   
                                  73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                   
                                  Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                   


                                  To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                  From: Barry@...
                                  Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                  Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                   

                                  Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                  I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                  Barry M0IOW

                                   

                                   

                                  Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                  Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                  I agree they should be reviewed

                                  Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                  Don zl1atb

                                   

                                   

                                  Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                  Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                  However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                  Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                  You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                   

                                   

                                  I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                  The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                  The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                  With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                  I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                  I have some concerns myself.

                                  There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                  Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                  I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                  The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                  At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                  Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                  73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                  I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                  Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                  Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                  My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                  Thanks and 73
                                  Russ WA3FRP

                                   

                                   

                                  ,_.___

                                   

                                   



                                   




                                • Scott
                                  Wow, 80mph, that s moving at a good clip. I m glad I don t have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees. This has
                                  Message 16 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                    Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                     
                                    I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                     
                                    This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                     
                                    Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                     
                                    73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                     

                                    To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: Barry@...
                                    Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                    Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                     

                                    Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                    We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                    You can keep the snow :-)

                                    ATB

                                    Barry M0IOW

                                     

                                    From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                    Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                    To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                     




                                    Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                     
                                    Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                     
                                    How high do the winds get there.
                                     
                                    Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                     
                                    Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                     
                                    Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                     
                                    Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                     


                                    To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: Barry@...
                                    Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                    Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                     

                                    Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                    I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                    My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                    As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                    I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                    73

                                    Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                    http:// www.30mdg.net

                                    European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                     

                                    http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                     

                                    My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                    www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                     

                                    From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                    Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                    To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                     



                                    Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                     
                                    Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                     
                                    At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                     
                                    73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                     
                                    Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                     


                                    To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                    From: Barry@...
                                    Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                    Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                     

                                    Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                    I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                    Barry M0IOW

                                     

                                     

                                    Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                    Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                    I agree they should be reviewed

                                    Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                    Don zl1atb

                                     

                                     

                                    Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                    Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                    However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                    Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                    You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                     

                                     

                                    I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                    The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                    The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                    With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                    I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                    I have some concerns myself.

                                    There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                    Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                    I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                    The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                    At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                    Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                    73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                    I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                    Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                    Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                    My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                    Thanks and 73
                                    Russ WA3FRP

                                     

                                     

                                    ,_.___

                                     

                                     



                                     





                                  • Barry
                                    it is not often we get it that bad :-) Wow, 80mph, that s moving at a good clip. I m glad I don t have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or
                                    Message 17 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                      it is not often we get it that bad :-)




                                      Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                       
                                      I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                       
                                      This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                       
                                      Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                       
                                      73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                       


                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: Barry@...
                                      Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                      Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                       

                                      Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                      We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                      You can keep the snow :-)

                                      ATB

                                      Barry M0IOW

                                       

                                      From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                      Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                       



                                      Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                       
                                      Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                       
                                      How high do the winds get there.
                                       
                                      Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                       
                                      Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                       
                                      Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                       
                                      Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                       


                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: Barry@...
                                      Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                       

                                      Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                      I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                      My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                      As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                      I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                      73

                                      Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                      http:// www.30mdg.net

                                      European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                       

                                      http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                       

                                      My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                      www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                      From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                      Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                       

                                       

                                      Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                       
                                      Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                       
                                      At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                       
                                      73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                       
                                      Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                       


                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                      From: Barry@...
                                      Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                      Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                       

                                      Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                      I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                      Barry M0IOW

                                       

                                       

                                      Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                      Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                      I agree they should be reviewed

                                      Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                      Don zl1atb

                                       

                                       

                                      Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                      Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                      However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                      Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                      You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                       

                                       

                                      I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                      The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                      The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                      With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                      I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                      I have some concerns myself.

                                      There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                      Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                      I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                      The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                      At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                      Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                      73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                      I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                      Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                      Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                      My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                      Thanks and 73
                                      Russ WA3FRP

                                       

                                       

                                      ,_.___

                                       

                                       

                                       

                                       



                                       




                                    • Don Leitch
                                      Same here in zl big winds at the moment but 20 degs C and muggy I live on a ridge top, horseshoe shaped and the opening faces NE and that s our predominant
                                      Message 18 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                        Same here in zl big winds at the moment but 20 degs C and muggy

                                        I live on a ridge top, horseshoe shaped and the opening faces NE  and that's our predominant wind , with sub tropical pressure systems it gets pretty gnarly, and the occasional cyclonic system  really knocks us around.

                                        But we never get snow .

                                        Don zl1atb

                                         

                                        From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
                                        Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 11:28 a.m.
                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        it is not often we get it that bad :-)





                                        Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                         
                                        I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                         
                                        This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                         
                                        Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                         
                                        73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                         


                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: Barry@...
                                        Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                        Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                         

                                        Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                        We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                        You can keep the snow :-)

                                        ATB

                                        Barry M0IOW

                                         

                                        From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                        Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                         




                                        Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                         
                                        Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                         
                                        How high do the winds get there.
                                         
                                        Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                         
                                        Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                         
                                        Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                         
                                        Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                         


                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: Barry@...
                                        Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                         

                                        Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                        I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                        My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                        As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                        I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                        73

                                        Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                        http:// www.30mdg.net

                                        European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                         

                                        http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                         

                                        My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                        www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                        From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                        Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                         

                                         

                                        Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                         
                                        Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                         
                                        At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                         
                                        73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                         
                                        Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                         


                                        To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                        From: Barry@...
                                        Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                        Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                         

                                        Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                        I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                        Barry M0IOW

                                         

                                         

                                        Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                        Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                        I agree they should be reviewed

                                        Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                        Don zl1atb

                                         

                                         

                                        Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                        Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                        However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                        Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                        You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                         

                                         

                                        I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                        The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                        The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                        With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                        I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                        I have some concerns myself.

                                        There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                        Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                        I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                        The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                        At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                        Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                        73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                        I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                        Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                        Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                        My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                        Thanks and 73
                                        Russ WA3FRP

                                         

                                         

                                        ,_.___

                                         

                                         

                                         

                                         




                                         





                                      • John Netro-N9WVM
                                        Whats the best time to work 30 N9WVM, John 30MDG #1550 On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:18 PM, Don Leitch wrote:   Same here in zl big winds
                                        Message 19 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                          Whats the best time to work 30

                                          N9WVM, John
                                          30MDG #1550




                                          On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:18 PM, Don Leitch <don@...> wrote:
                                           
                                          Same here in zl big winds at the moment but 20 degs C and muggy
                                          I live on a ridge top, horseshoe shaped and the opening faces NE  and that's our predominant wind , with sub tropical pressure systems it gets pretty gnarly, and the occasional cyclonic system  really knocks us around.
                                          But we never get snow .
                                          Don zl1atb
                                           
                                          From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
                                          Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 11:28 a.m.
                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          it is not often we get it that bad :-)




                                          Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                           
                                          I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                           
                                          This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                           
                                          Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                           
                                          73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                           

                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: Barry@...
                                          Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                          Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                           
                                          Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.
                                          We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.
                                          You can keep the snow :-)
                                          ATB
                                          Barry M0IOW
                                           
                                          From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                          Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards
                                           



                                          Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                           
                                          Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                           
                                          How high do the winds get there.
                                           
                                          Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                           
                                          Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                           
                                          Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                           
                                          Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                           

                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: Barry@...
                                          Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                           
                                          Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.
                                          I am always interested in the aerials others use.
                                          My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.
                                          As a backup I have a 30M dipole.
                                          I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.
                                          73
                                          Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013
                                          http:// www.30mdg.net
                                          European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83
                                           
                                           
                                          My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                          From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                          Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question
                                           
                                           
                                          Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                           
                                          Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                           
                                          At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                           
                                          73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                           
                                          Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                           

                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                          From: Barry@...
                                          Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                           
                                          Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.
                                          I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.
                                          Barry M0IOW
                                           
                                           
                                          Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20
                                          Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10
                                          I agree they should be reviewed
                                          Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.
                                          Don zl1atb
                                           
                                           
                                          Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                          Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                          However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                          Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                          You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.

                                           
                                           
                                          I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                          The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                          The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                          With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                          I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                          I have some concerns myself.

                                          There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                          Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                          I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                          The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                          At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                          Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                          73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA

                                          I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                          Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                          Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                          My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                          Thanks and 73
                                          Russ WA3FRP
                                           
                                           
                                          ,_.___
                                           
                                           
                                           
                                           



                                           






                                        • Don Leitch
                                          For zl to U.S.A. 1700 1900 utc if you are asking me? Don zl1atb From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Netro-N9WVM Sent:
                                          Message 20 of 29 , Feb 6, 2014
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                                            For zl to U.S.A. 1700 1900 utc  if you are asking me?

                                            Don zl1atb

                                             

                                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Netro-N9WVM
                                            Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 2:07 p.m.
                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: Re: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                             

                                             

                                            Whats the best time to work 30

                                             

                                            N9WVM, John

                                            30MDG #1550

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:18 PM, Don Leitch <don@...> wrote:

                                             

                                            Same here in zl big winds at the moment but 20 degs C and muggy

                                            I live on a ridge top, horseshoe shaped and the opening faces NE  and that's our predominant wind , with sub tropical pressure systems it gets pretty gnarly, and the occasional cyclonic system  really knocks us around.

                                            But we never get snow .

                                            Don zl1atb

                                             

                                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Barry
                                            Sent: Friday, 7 February 2014 11:28 a.m.
                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            it is not often we get it that bad :-)




                                            Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                             
                                            I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                             
                                            This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                             
                                            Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                             
                                            73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                             


                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: Barry@...
                                            Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                            Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                             

                                            Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                            We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                            You can keep the snow :-)

                                            ATB

                                            Barry M0IOW

                                             

                                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                            Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                             



                                            Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                             
                                            Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                             
                                            How high do the winds get there.
                                             
                                            Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                             
                                            Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                             
                                            Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                             
                                            Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                             


                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: Barry@...
                                            Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                             

                                            Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                            I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                            My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                            As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                            I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                            73

                                            Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                            http:// www.30mdg.net

                                            European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                             

                                             

                                            My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                            From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                            Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                             

                                             

                                            Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                             
                                            Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                             
                                            At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                             
                                            73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                             
                                            Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                             


                                            To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                            From: Barry@...
                                            Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                            Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                             

                                            Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                            I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                            Barry M0IOW

                                             

                                             

                                            Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                            Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                            I agree they should be reviewed

                                            Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                            Don zl1atb

                                             

                                             

                                            Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                            Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                            However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                            Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                            You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                             

                                             

                                            I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                            The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                            The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                            With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                            I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                            I have some concerns myself.

                                            There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                            Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                            I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                            The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                            At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                            Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                            73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                            I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                            Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                            Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                            My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                            Thanks and 73
                                            Russ WA3FRP

                                             

                                             

                                            ,_.___

                                             

                                             

                                             

                                             



                                             




                                             

                                          • Barry
                                            Here on the Isle of Wight we have a forecast for 90mph winds! I just hope they have it wrong, very charm & sunny at the moment, but due to change tonight
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                                              Here on the Isle of Wight we have a forecast for 90mph winds!

                                              I just hope they have it wrong, very charm & sunny at the moment, but due to change tonight onwards.

                                               

                                              Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                              http:// www.30mdg.net

                                              European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                               

                                              http://www.eQSL.cc/Member.cfm?M0IOW

                                               

                                              My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                              www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              On Thursday, February 6, 2014 6:18 PM, Don Leitch <don@...> wrote:

                                               

                                              Same here in zl big winds at the moment but 20 degs C and muggy

                                              I live on a ridge top, horseshoe shaped and the opening faces NE  and that's our predominant wind , with sub tropical pressure systems it gets pretty gnarly, and the occasional cyclonic system  really knocks us around.

                                              But we never get snow .

                                              Don zl1atb

                                               

                                               

                                              it is not often we get it that bad :-)




                                              Wow, 80mph, that's moving at a good clip.
                                               
                                              I'm glad I don't have to deal with that. Would not be good for the trees or any wire antennas in the trees.
                                               
                                              This has been a very cold winter. Our friends in VE land have been sending us very cold weather. A friend of mine down in NC got snow last week. Unusual for them. They've also gotten very cold weather as well.
                                               
                                              Oh well. I hope your antennas are not damaged.
                                               
                                              73 Barry and have a good nite.




















                                               


                                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                              From: Barry@...
                                              Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2014 15:59:26 +0000
                                              Subject: [30MDG] RE: [30MDG weather

                                               

                                              Hello Scott, the winds can get very high here, we can have gusting to 80 mph and more at times.

                                              We have just had a bad spell, and another is on the way this weekend.

                                              You can keep the snow :-)

                                              ATB

                                              Barry M0IOW

                                               

                                              From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                              Sent: 06 February 2014 15:27
                                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                               



                                              Hi Barry, the fan dipole for the warc bands has been pretty good on 30. I'm happy with it.
                                               
                                              Ok on the 5BTV. I have used a full length 30 meter dipole hung vertically from a branch and it worked reasonably well. Ground conductivity around here is poor so I'm better off with horizontal antennas on 80-10.
                                               
                                              How high do the winds get there.
                                               
                                              Here it is rare to see even 40 mph. We don't get much in the way of winds.
                                               
                                              Got a foot of snow yesterday but not much wind.
                                               
                                              Take care and have a nice afternoon.
                                               
                                              Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA





















                                               


                                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                              From: Barry@...
                                              Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 22:41:14 +0000
                                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG awards

                                               

                                              Hi Scott KT1B, Yes I see we have had qso's in JT65 & PSK31.

                                              I am always interested in the aerials others use.

                                              My main aerial is the Hustler 6-BTV trapped vertical, if it does not get damaged in the very high winds here tonight.

                                              As a backup I have a 30M dipole.

                                              I cannot copy CW but I do sometimes look for any one sending MCW, but so far not found that many.

                                              73

                                              Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                              http:// www.30mdg.net

                                              European PSK Club EPC 2497 EU EN83

                                               

                                               

                                              My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                              From: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com [mailto:30MDG@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott
                                              Sent: 04 February 2014 16:00
                                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                               

                                               

                                              Barry, it's always good to hear from you. I have seen you on 30 JT65 several times recently. Good signal as always.
                                               
                                              Regarding changing the goalpost. I see your point. However, reform and improvement are important. I don't have much of an answer except to offer an additional dx-master award. DX-Master 2014 with revised numbers for each continent. I'm not saying that overall the award should be made easier, just different. Bring the number of contacts needed for each continent in harmony. That would probably make Asia easier but other continents more difficult.
                                               
                                              At any rate, the more awards, in my opinion, the better, makes things more interesting.
                                               
                                              73 and I hope your winter is going well.
                                               
                                              Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA




















                                               


                                              To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                              From: Barry@...
                                              Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2014 11:58:36 +0000
                                              Subject: RE: [30MDG] 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                               

                                              Hi, I need 5 more from Asia and 1 from Oceania to complete the award.

                                              I do not think it would be fair to those who have the award to change the goalpost, just my thought.

                                              Barry M0IOW

                                               

                                               

                                              Hi I have to agree here I have been a member a long while now and on 30 every evening for years.  My asia is probably not achievable  I have 8 out of 20

                                              Africa is hard from zl and I have 8 out of 20 and even N America is 8 out of 10

                                              I agree they should be reviewed

                                              Oceania I have 33 out of 5 but then I live in that area.

                                              Don zl1atb

                                               

                                               

                                              Regarding Russ's analysis of the DX Master award, it does seem rather odd to have a disproportionately large percentage of Asian entities required.

                                              Besides the high percentage, another part of the problem is that many of the entities aren't very active or active at all.

                                              However, I'm not going to suggest that an award be made easier but I think this award needs to be looked at as being very inconsistent.

                                              Why not pick a rough percentage and try to get each continent fairly close?

                                              You may end up increasing the number of countries required for Oceania, Africa, Europe, and N. America but slightly lower Asia to bring everything in line.


                                               

                                               

                                              I get a lot of enjoyment out of the 30MDG award system.

                                              The U30 program is superb and the awards are varied, creative, and are fun to try for.

                                              The awards run from very easy to very difficult.

                                              With any system, from time to time it's good to review and re-evaluate.

                                              I am hoping at some point input regarding the awards will be asked for and some of the awards will be re-evaluated.

                                              I have some concerns myself.

                                              There are some awards that require working specific stations. Are these stations still active? Is it possible to get these awards?

                                              Does it make sense to require people to work entities that are only activated by DXpedition for some of the awards such as the MIA, Great South, Great North?

                                              I'm not suggesting that major changes are in order. Just a little fine tuning.

                                              The first thing would be to look at all of the awards and make sure that they are attainable. If key stations are no longer active, some awards may not be attainable.

                                              At any rate, just my two cents. I'm having a good time with the awards. I would not be spending nearly as much time on 30 if the awards program was not there.

                                              Thanks to all involved for your work in making the awards program work.

                                              73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


                                              I've always wondered and maybe someone can tell me how the number of required continents was determined for this award.  I may be in error but I believe that the award calls for working a minimum of 10 DXCC entities in Africa, 10 in North America, 5 in South America, 25 in Europe, 20 in Asia and 5 in Oceania.


                                              Compare this to the number of DXCC entities per continent, which is currently 77 in Africa, 50 in North America, 32 in South America, 69 in Europe, 55 in Asia and 60 in Oceania.


                                              Does anyone remember the rational that was used at the time that the award was conceived?


                                              My main issue is with Asia, since one has to work 36 percent of all of the DXCC Asian entities.  At the same time, one only has to work 8 percent of the Oceania entities. The other percentages are 13 percent for Africa, 20 percent for North America, 16 percent for South America, 36 percent for Europe. 


                                              Thanks and 73
                                              Russ WA3FRP

                                               

                                               

                                              ,_.___

                                               

                                               

                                               

                                               



                                               




                                               




                                            • kb9umt
                                              Hi Russ WA3FRP, Good question...and like you I m also stuck in about the same boat trying to obtain this Award but we keep at it! I thought I would give you a
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                                                Hi Russ WA3FRP,


                                                Good question...and like you I'm also stuck in about the same boat trying to obtain this Award but we keep at it!


                                                I thought I would give you a reply on this message post and your question....keep in mind that although I'm founder of 30MDG and a 30MDG Award Manager the 30MDG Awards were setup by Rob ZL3RG which in my view has done a great job working with John OE3JPK (Ultimate U30 program/creator)...fantastic job by both of them.


                                                I think when setting up for this Award it is like a few other 30MDG Awards we have and out of the over 100 30DMG Awards that is obtainable but is on the list of 'you will have to work at it to earn it' or a harder to obtain Award.  That being said at the time this Award was created I think at that time our thoughts were to try to get more ASIA 30m ops involved on the band since they are lacking (not sure this was the right way to do it but a thought all the same to seek ASIA out on 30m digital).  Also keep in mind that these harder to obtain 30MDG Awards keep many of the 30m digital ops coming back to the 30m band to try to obtain these awards which is what we hope for....continued activity on 30 Meters and/or digital portions of the 30 Meter Band.


                                                Not sure my answer helped or not but all the same thought I would reply in kind and thank you for the post (I also will forward this to our Award Managers if they have not already read this message post).


                                                Thanks

                                                Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001

                                                www.30mdg.net

                                              • signalhz@1791.com
                                                Some of them from my location may be impossible. Some of them I think I should be doing better on. Central Florida, and only 48 on the EU award. Where are
                                                Message 23 of 29 , Feb 15, 2014
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                                                  Some of them from my location may be impossible. Some of them I think I should be doing better on.
                                                  Central Florida, and only 48 on the EU award. Where are they? : )
                                                  Love the award program. 

                                                  73 Eddy N4ABN

                                                  Sent from my iPhone

                                                  On Feb 15, 2014, at 14:06, <dhobson123@...> wrote:

                                                   

                                                  Hi Russ WA3FRP,


                                                  Good question...and like you I'm also stuck in about the same boat trying to obtain this Award but we keep at it!


                                                  I thought I would give you a reply on this message post and your question....keep in mind that although I'm founder of 30MDG and a 30MDG Award Manager the 30MDG Awards were setup by Rob ZL3RG which in my view has done a great job working with John OE3JPK (Ultimate U30 program/creator)...fantastic job by both of them.


                                                  I think when setting up for this Award it is like a few other 30MDG Awards we have and out of the over 100 30DMG Awards that is obtainable but is on the list of 'you will have to work at it to earn it' or a harder to obtain Award.  That being said at the time this Award was created I think at that time our thoughts were to try to get more ASIA 30m ops involved on the band since they are lacking (not sure this was the right way to do it but a thought all the same to seek ASIA out on 30m digital).  Also keep in mind that these harder to obtain 30MDG Awards keep many of the 30m digital ops coming back to the 30m band to try to obtain these awards which is what we hope for....continued activity on 30 Meters and/or digital portions of the 30 Meter Band.


                                                  Not sure my answer helped or not but all the same thought I would reply in kind and thank you for the post (I also will forward this to our Award Managers if they have not already read this message post).


                                                  Thanks

                                                  Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001

                                                  www.30mdg.net

                                                • wa3frp
                                                  Thanks Don, Unfortunately, those extra Asian contacts seem to be difficult to get. I will keep plugging however as I have five more contacts from Asia to get.
                                                  Message 24 of 29 , Feb 16, 2014
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                                                    Thanks Don,


                                                    Unfortunately, those extra Asian contacts seem to be difficult to get.  I will keep plugging however as I have five more contacts from Asia to get.  Right now I stand at Asia: 15 of 20, Africa: 24 of 10, Europe: 59 of 25,  North America 39 of 10, South America: 18 of 5 and Oceania: 22 of 5.


                                                    So maybe my question should have been, "Why are all of the other continents so easy to obtain versus Asia?", especially since this is a DX Master Award.


                                                    One last question: I was looking at all of the Awards and was wondering why do all of the Continents, except  North America, have an Award based on the total number of entities worked?  I see that there is a Caribbean Award, which is a subset of a total North American entities worked.  Has anyone asked this question before?

                                                    Thanks and 73

                                                    Russ WA3FRP

                                                  • Scott
                                                    Good afternoon Don, I d like to suggest that you talk to the managers of the Great Northern and Great Southern awards as well as to John and see if another
                                                    Message 25 of 29 , Feb 17, 2014
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                                                      Good afternoon Don, I'd like to suggest that you talk to the managers of the Great Northern and Great Southern awards as well as to John and see if another wildcard can be written into the award. My suggestion is to use you as the additional wildcard. It's my understanding that it is not currently possible to work ZL30MDG, thus a replacement wildcard should be available.
                                                       
                                                      In order to keep things simple, as well as for backwards compatibility, my suggestion is to accept ZL30MDG or KB9UMT as the wildcard.
                                                       
                                                      I would also like to suggest that you talk to the appropriate managers to make sure that the stations in the mystery awards are still active, and if not, add aditional stations who are active to the list. That will give you 100 percent backwards compatibility with those who already have the awards.
                                                       
                                                      So, if it's 10 out of 15 for a particular mystery stations award. Just make sure that there are 15 active stations in the list of mystery stations. You can do this by adding stations beyond the original 15 as necessary. That way you still have your backwards compatibilty. If an inactive station becomes active again, no big deal. So you have 16 or 17 active stations in the list. No harm done.
                                                       
                                                      Thanks for your consideration. I hope you're weather is better than ours. I'm so tired of this snow.
                                                       
                                                      73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       
                                                       

                                                      To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                                      From: dhobson123@...
                                                      Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2014 11:06:50 -0800
                                                      Subject: [30MDG] RE: 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                                       

                                                      Hi Russ WA3FRP,


                                                      Good question...and like you I'm also stuck in about the same boat trying to obtain this Award but we keep at it!


                                                      I thought I would give you a reply on this message post and your question....keep in mind that although I'm founder of 30MDG and a 30MDG Award Manager the 30MDG Awards were setup by Rob ZL3RG which in my view has done a great job working with John OE3JPK (Ultimate U30 program/creator)...fantastic job by both of them.


                                                      I think when setting up for this Award it is like a few other 30MDG Awards we have and out of the over 100 30DMG Awards that is obtainable but is on the list of 'you will have to work at it to earn it' or a harder to obtain Award.  That being said at the time this Award was created I think at that time our thoughts were to try to get more ASIA 30m ops involved on the band since they are lacking (not sure this was the right way to do it but a thought all the same to seek ASIA out on 30m digital).  Also keep in mind that these harder to obtain 30MDG Awards keep many of the 30m digital ops coming back to the 30m band to try to obtain these awards which is what we hope for....continued activity on 30 Meters and/or digital portions of the 30 Meter Band.


                                                      Not sure my answer helped or not but all the same thought I would reply in kind and thank you for the post (I also will forward this to our Award Managers if they have not already read this message post).


                                                      Thanks
                                                      Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001
                                                      www.30mdg.net

                                                    • kb9umt
                                                      Hi Scott KT1B, Thanks for being active on 30 Meters and also active with the 30MDG Awards...much appreciated. I will forward your message to the Awards
                                                      Message 26 of 29 , Feb 18, 2014
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                                                        Hi Scott KT1B,

                                                        Thanks for being active on 30 Meters and also active with the 30MDG Awards...much appreciated.  I will forward your message to the Awards Managers.

                                                        As far as the weather goes I think we are at 49" of snow and around 3 or 4" away from hitting the record snow fall for our area...about a few feet left on the ground and some melting...very sick of it actually and could care less if I ever see snow again.  I just got done adjusting the guys on the tower....and then finished tonight shoveling out all the way around the house about 10 feet out and trying to clear some of the drifts on the roof.  

                                                        Hope to see you on the band soon Scott and thanks again.


                                                        Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001   www.30mdg.net

                                                        p.s. as far as replacing KB9UMT for Awards I do participate in our own 30MDG Awards but very casual user just like 30 Meters is casual so I don't hunt much and more of a ragchewer than Awards chaser...to me it isn't so much about promoting a call sign but the 30 Meter Band because calls go inactive and even SK when the 30 Meter Band still keeps going and going (my view mind you) 

                                                      • Scott
                                                        Thanks Don, we got nailed with snow again today. Driving home from work tonite was terrible until I got into MA and then the roads were properly plowed and
                                                        Message 27 of 29 , Feb 18, 2014
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                                                          Thanks Don, we got nailed with snow again today. Driving home from work tonite was terrible until I got into MA and then the roads were properly plowed and driving was no problem. In NH apparently they've never heard of something called a plow. :)

                                                          It's been a rough winter this year. I'm looking forward to this so called global warming and I'll I'm seeing is the exact opposite.

                                                          Still having fun trying to get some more awards. Will be coming up on 3000 contacts on 30 soon. Getting close to a few others as well.

                                                          The new 3 band warc band fan dipole has been very good.

                                                          I'm grateful that my antennas have stayed up so far this winter. Unfortunately that means they're not big enough, according to the old saying.

                                                          If it stayed up all winter, it wasn't big enough.

                                                          Anyway, thanks for the reply, and let's hope March brings better weather for us all.

                                                          I see parts of the US are in for some nasty severe weather later this week. It's only Feb and some people are going to be heading to the storm cellar.


                                                          73 Scott KT1B Haverhill, MA


























                                                          To: 30MDG@yahoogroups.com
                                                          From: dhobson123@...
                                                          Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 18:56:01 -0800
                                                          Subject: RE: [30MDG] RE: 30MDG DX Master Award Question

                                                           

                                                          Hi Scott KT1B,
                                                          Thanks for being active on 30 Meters and also active with the 30MDG Awards...much appreciated.  I will forward your message to the Awards Managers.
                                                          As far as the weather goes I think we are at 49" of snow and around 3 or 4" away from hitting the record snow fall for our area...about a few feet left on the ground and some melting...very sick of it actually and could care less if I ever see snow again.  I just got done adjusting the guys on the tower....and then finished tonight shoveling out all the way around the house about 10 feet out and trying to clear some of the drifts on the roof.  
                                                          Hope to see you on the band soon Scott and thanks again.


                                                          Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001   www.30mdg.net
                                                          p.s. as far as replacing KB9UMT for Awards I do participate in our own 30MDG Awards but very casual user just like 30 Meters is casual so I don't hunt much and more of a ragchewer than Awards chaser...to me it isn't so much about promoting a call sign but the 30 Meter Band because calls go inactive and even SK when the 30 Meter Band still keeps going and going (my view mind you) 


                                                        • kb9umt
                                                          Hi again Russ WA3FRP, Thanks for the questions and I think some of these have been asked in the past off list but never on list so good questions. Your
                                                          Message 28 of 29 , Feb 18, 2014
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                                                            Hi again Russ WA3FRP,


                                                            Thanks for the questions and I think some of these have been asked in the past off list but never on list so good questions.

                                                            Your question:

                                                            "So maybe my question should have been, "Why are all of the other continents so easy to obtain versus Asia?", especially since this is a DX Master Award"

                                                            Actually I think there are around 211 members that have received the 30MDG DX Master Award...of those the Majority are those members in EU....but we do have a few in the USA that have received this award some ops include WF2S,W4LSC,KT1B, and KJ6P.  Again this is not an easy Award (some of our awards range from very easy to very hard to almost impossible) .....and my guess is that for EU vs. NA has more ops that received this award because of their location....LOCATION and ANTENNA plus PROPAGATION of course looking at your QRZ page telling you nothing there... and my other guess is to gain more ASIA the MODE using CW vs. digital modes to complete this Award.  These are my guesses but I'm not the 30MDG Award Manager for the DX Master Award.   Again as far as the percentage for ASIA I think when setting up Rob ZL3RG (head of Awards) and my conversations were to try to bring on more participation from ASIA.


                                                            As far as your last question again I will try to answer but you can always email Rob ZL3RG if you would like  (ZL3RG AT 30MDG.NET Award Manager/creator)....I'm more of a ragchewer, experimenter vs. a DX chaser.   I do know as we progressed with 30MDG with more 30MDG memberships and 30 Meter Band Participation our discussions were always how do we bring more into the mix so at the time when starting out having more members and participation in NA in the beginning we didn't pursue any specific NA Awards but started with EU to bring them in and they were very very active after that..then VK/ZL....then SA, Caribbean, etc..then our last I think was Russia, AF, AS so we kind of just brought in new Awards as we tried to add more ops in different areas.   Not sure Rob would agree but that is how I remember over the years us trying to promote more 30 Meter Band and 30MDG Award activity as we went along.


                                                            Thanks for asking and participating.

                                                            Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001

                                                            www.30mdg.net

                                                            p.s. Rob ZL3RG creating the awards program and John OE3JPK creating Ultimate U30 program for the Awards...Laurie VK3AMA for programming database and what goes where...along with Barry, Larry, Richard, Darin, Pez, Fred, Bek, and Barry that do all the work managing these Awards we have a great dedicated 'TEAM'....almost 38,000 30MDG Awards reviewed and issued!

                                                            http://www.30mdg.net/team.html

                                                          • Barry
                                                            Hi Don & all, as the DX master Award Manager I would say those with CW se4em to do be4st. Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013 http:// www.30mdg.net My
                                                            Message 29 of 29 , Feb 19, 2014
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                                                              Hi Don & all, as the DX master Award Manager I would say those with CW se4em to do be4st.

                                                               

                                                              Barry, MØIOW. 30 Meter Digital Group #0013

                                                              http:// www.30mdg.net

                                                               

                                                              My web site on Amateur Radio,  the History of the Isle of Wight & Newport the capital.

                                                              www.india-whisky.org.uk

                                                               

                                                               

                                                              Hi again Russ WA3FRP,

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for the questions and I think some of these have been asked in the past off list but never on list so good questions.

                                                              Your question:

                                                              "So maybe my question should have been, "Why are all of the other continents so easy to obtain versus Asia?", especially since this is a DX Master Award"

                                                              Actually I think there are around 211 members that have received the 30MDG DX Master Award...of those the Majority are those members in EU....but we do have a few in the USA that have received this award some ops include WF2S,W4LSC,KT1B, and KJ6P.  Again this is not an easy Award (some of our awards range from very easy to very hard to almost impossible) .....and my guess is that for EU vs. NA has more ops that received this award because of their location....LOCATION and ANTENNA plus PROPAGATION of course looking at your QRZ page telling you nothing there... and my other guess is to gain more ASIA the MODE using CW vs. digital modes to complete this Award.  These are my guesses but I'm not the 30MDG Award Manager for the DX Master Award.   Again as far as the percentage for ASIA I think when setting up Rob ZL3RG (head of Awards) and my conversations were to try to bring on more participation from ASIA.

                                                               

                                                              As far as your last question again I will try to answer but you can always email Rob ZL3RG if you would like  (ZL3RG AT 30MDG.NET Award Manager/creator)....I'm more of a ragchewer, experimenter vs. a DX chaser.   I do know as we progressed with 30MDG with more 30MDG memberships and 30 Meter Band Participation our discussions were always how do we bring more into the mix so at the time when starting out having more members and participation in NA in the beginning we didn't pursue any specific NA Awards but started with EU to bring them in and they were very very active after that..then VK/ZL....then SA, Caribbean, etc..then our last I think was Russia, AF, AS so we kind of just brought in new Awards as we tried to add more ops in different areas.   Not sure Rob would agree but that is how I remember over the years us trying to promote more 30 Meter Band and 30MDG Award activity as we went along.

                                                               

                                                              Thanks for asking and participating.

                                                              Don KB9UMT 30MDG#0001

                                                              www.30mdg.net

                                                              p.s. Rob ZL3RG creating the awards program and John OE3JPK creating Ultimate U30 program for the Awards...Laurie VK3AMA for programming database and what goes where...along with Barry, Larry, Richard, Darin, Pez, Fred, Bek, and Barry that do all the work managing these Awards we have a great dedicated 'TEAM'....almost 38,000 30MDG Awards reviewed and issued!

                                                              http://www.30mdg.net/team.html







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