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  • vermouth_man
    I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any truth to the rumour?
    Message 1 of 22 , Feb 25, 2011
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      I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
      coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any truth
      to the rumour?
    • Coly H
      It sounds like there may be something to that rumour. http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods
      Message 2 of 22 , Feb 26, 2011
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        It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.

        http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/

        --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "vermouth_man" <vermouth_man@...> wrote:
        >
        > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
        > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any truth
        > to the rumour?
        >

      • Crystal
        They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a couple of years ago
        Message 3 of 22 , Mar 8, 2011
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          They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
          April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
          couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
          the DVD when it comes out.


          --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
          <csh_2088@...> wrote:
          >
          >
          > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
          >
          >
          http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
          \
          > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
          >
          <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
          \
          > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
          >
          >
          > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
          > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
          > >
          > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
          > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
          truth
          > > to the rumour?
          > >
          >
        • Raymond OHara
          two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW movies due to their badness.the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg
          Message 4 of 22 , Mar 8, 2011
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            two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW movies due to their badness.
            the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.


            --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal <jammor2005@...> wrote:

            From: Crystal <jammor2005@...>
            Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
            To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
            Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM

             


            They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
            April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
            couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
            the DVD when it comes out.

            --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
            <csh_2088@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
            >
            >
            http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
            \
            > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
            >
            <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
            \
            > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
            >
            >
            > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
            > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
            > >
            > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
            > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
            truth
            > > to the rumour?
            > >
            >


          • Teej
            Raymond O Hara wrote: two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW movies due to their badness. the acting is terrible, and they had good
            Message 5 of 22 , Mar 8, 2011
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              Raymond O'Hara wrote:

               
              two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW movies due to their badness.
              the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.
               
                  While neither movie was "Glory," I think Martin Sheen portrayed Lee as Shaara wrote him.
               
              Regards,
              Teej



            • Victor Van Tuyl
              ... From: Raymond OHara Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out To:
              Message 6 of 22 , Mar 9, 2011
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                --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:

                From: Raymond OHara <raymondohara@...>
                Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM

                 
                two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW movies due to their badness.
                the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.
                yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of course I am going to get this!!!

                --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal <jammor2005@...> wrote:

                From: Crystal <jammor2005@...>
                Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM

                 

                They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
                April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
                couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
                the DVD when it comes out.

                --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
                <csh_2088@...> wrote:
                >
                >
                > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                >
                >
                http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                \
                > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                >
                <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                \
                > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                >
                >
                > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                > >
                > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
                > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
                truth
                > > to the rumour?
                > >
                >



              • vermouth_man
                I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War which is a very popular
                Message 7 of 22 , Mar 9, 2011
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                  I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                  possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                  which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                  around the country and even some in other countries. It would be like
                  saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of another
                  Star Trek movie.


                  --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor Van
                  Tuyl <historybuff20012002@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@... wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@...
                  > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                  Generals Movie Coming Out
                  > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                  >
                  >
                  > Â
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                  > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                  movies due to their badness.
                  > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                  sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                  through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.
                  > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of course
                  I am going to get this!!!
                  >
                  > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@... wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > From: Crystal jammor2005@...
                  > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                  Generals Movie Coming Out
                  > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                  > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                  >
                  >
                  > Â
                  >
                  >
                  > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
                  > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
                  > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
                  > the DVD when it comes out.
                  >
                  > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
                  > csh_2088@ wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                  > >
                  > >
                  >
                  http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                  \
                  > \
                  > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                  > >
                  >
                  <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                  \
                  > \
                  > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                  > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
                  > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
                  > truth
                  > > > to the rumour?
                  > > >
                  > >
                  >
                • Raymond OHara
                  they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G & G,G-burg is passable but
                  Message 8 of 22 , Mar 9, 2011
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                    they both cost a lot to make and bombed.
                    even bad sci fi makes money.
                    all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G & G,
                    G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.

                    with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.
                    a well done movie can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.



                    --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man <vermouth_man@...> wrote:

                    From: vermouth_man <vermouth_man@...>
                    Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                    To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM

                     


                    I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                    possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                    which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                    around the country and even some in other countries. It would be like
                    saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of another
                    Star Trek movie.

                    --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor Van
                    Tuyl <historybuff20012002@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@... wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@...
                    > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                    Generals Movie Coming Out
                    > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                    >
                    >
                    > Â
                    >
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                    >
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                    > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                    movies due to their badness.
                    > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                    sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                    through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.
                    > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of course
                    I am going to get this!!!
                    >
                    > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@... wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > From: Crystal jammor2005@...
                    > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                    Generals Movie Coming Out
                    > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                    > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                    >
                    >
                    > Â
                    >
                    >
                    > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
                    > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
                    > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
                    > the DVD when it comes out.
                    >
                    > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
                    > csh_2088@ wrote:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                    > >
                    > >
                    >
                    http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                    \
                    > \
                    > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                    > >
                    >
                    <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                    \
                    > \
                    > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                    > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
                    > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
                    > truth
                    > > > to the rumour?
                    > > >
                    > >
                    >


                  • Jim
                    First, I m back after a long period of not commenting because it was getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from any hope of
                    Message 9 of 22 , Apr 26, 2011
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                      First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                      Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg). Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                      I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant, and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll be checking in more often.

                      --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G & G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                      > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                      >
                      >
                      > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man <vermouth_man@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > From: vermouth_man <vermouth_man@...>
                      > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                      > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                      > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
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                      > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
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                      > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                      >
                      > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                      >
                      > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be like
                      >
                      > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of another
                      >
                      > Star Trek movie.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor Van
                      >
                      > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
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                      > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
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                      > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                      >
                      > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                      >
                      > Generals Movie Coming Out
                      >
                      > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
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                      > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
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                      > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
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                      > movies due to their badness.
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                      > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                      >
                      > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                      >
                      > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and overbearing.
                      >
                      > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of course
                      >
                      > I am going to get this!!!
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                      > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                      >
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                      > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                      >
                      > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                      >
                      > Generals Movie Coming Out
                      >
                      > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                      >
                      > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
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                      > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime in
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                      > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on TNT a
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                      > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be buying
                      >
                      > > the DVD when it comes out.
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                      > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly H"
                      >
                      > > csh_2088@ wrote:
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                      > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
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                      > http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
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                      > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                      >
                      > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                      >
                      > > > >
                      >
                      > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals would be
                      >
                      > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was any
                      >
                      > > truth
                      >
                      > > > > to the rumour?
                      >
                      > > > >
                      >
                      > > >
                      >
                      > >
                      >
                    • Coly H
                      Jim, nice to hear from you again. I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be
                      Message 10 of 22 , Apr 26, 2011
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                        Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                        I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                        away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                        When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                        the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                        details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                        hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                        to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                        Coly


                        --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                        <theaprils@...> wrote:
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                        getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                        any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                        movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                        http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                        > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                        them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                        into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                        the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                        that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                        too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                        (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                        Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                        background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                        in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                        the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                        director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                        take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                        win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                        agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                        the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                        questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                        enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                        kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                        movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                        deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                        > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                        to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                        and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                        each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                        we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                        be checking in more often.
                        >
                        > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                        OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                        money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                        G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                        > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                        can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                        > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                        Generals Movie Coming Out
                        > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
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                        > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                        > >
                        > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                        > >
                        > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                        > >
                        > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                        like
                        > >
                        > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                        another
                        > >
                        > > Star Trek movie.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                        Van
                        > >
                        > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                        > >
                        > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                        and
                        > >
                        > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                        > >
                        > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                        > >
                        > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
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                        > > > Â
                        > >
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                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                        > >
                        > > movies due to their badness.
                        > >
                        > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                        > >
                        > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                        > >
                        > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                        overbearing.
                        > >
                        > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                        course
                        > >
                        > > I am going to get this!!!
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                        > >
                        > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                        > >
                        > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                        > >
                        > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                        > >
                        > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
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                        > > > Â
                        > >
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                        > >
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                        > >
                        > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                        in
                        > >
                        > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                        TNT a
                        > >
                        > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                        buying
                        > >
                        > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                        H"
                        > >
                        > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                        \
                        > >
                        > > \
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                        > > > \
                        > >
                        > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                        > >
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                        > > > \
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                        > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                        > >
                        > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                        > >
                        > > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                        would be
                        > >
                        > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                        any
                        > >
                        > > > truth
                        > >
                        > > > > > to the rumour?
                        > >
                        > > > > >
                        > >
                        > > > >
                        > >
                        > > >
                        > >
                        >
                      • Teej
                        Coly Hope wrote: I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
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                          Coly Hope wrote:



                          I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                          away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                          When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                          the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                          details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                          hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                          to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                          I agree with you that Civil War buffs, historians and purists tend to
                          expect too much from movies that are meant to entertain as well to some
                          extent educate. However, I'd like to add that I disagree with those who
                          found Martin Sheen an unbelievable Lee in the movie "Gettysburg." As most
                          of us know the movie was based on Michael Shaara's "Killer Angels." IMO,
                          Sheen nailed the Lee Shaara described in his book. The late Brian Pohanka,
                          who was a historical advisor for the movie, told me his only complaint about
                          the way Lee was portrayed is Marse Robert would have never appeared outside
                          his tent in shirt sleeves and a vest and no jacket. He tried to talk Ron
                          Maxwell out of doing the scene that way but he was overruled by the
                          director.

                          Regards,
                          Teej
                        • Raymond OHara
                          Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive. ... From: Coly H Subject:
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                            Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                            --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                            From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                            Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                            To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                            Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                             


                            Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                            I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                            away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                            When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                            the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                            details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                            hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                            to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                            Coly

                            --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                            <theaprils@...> wrote:
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                            getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                            any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                            movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                            http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                            > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                            them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                            into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                            the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                            that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                            too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                            (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                            Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                            background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                            in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                            the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                            director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                            take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                            win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                            agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                            the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                            questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                            enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                            kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                            movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                            deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                            > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                            to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                            and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                            each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                            we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                            be checking in more often.
                            >
                            > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                            OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                            money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                            G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                            > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                            can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                            > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                            Generals Movie Coming Out
                            > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                            > >
                            > >
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                            > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                            > >
                            > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                            > >
                            > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                            > >
                            > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                            like
                            > >
                            > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                            another
                            > >
                            > > Star Trek movie.
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                            Van
                            > >
                            > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                            > >
                            > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                            and
                            > >
                            > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                            > >
                            > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                            > >
                            > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
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                            > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                            > >
                            > > movies due to their badness.
                            > >
                            > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                            > >
                            > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                            > >
                            > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                            overbearing.
                            > >
                            > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                            course
                            > >
                            > > I am going to get this!!!
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                            > >
                            > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                            > >
                            > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                            > >
                            > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                            > >
                            > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > Â
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                            in
                            > >
                            > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                            TNT a
                            > >
                            > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                            buying
                            > >
                            > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                            H"
                            > >
                            > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                            \
                            > >
                            > > \
                            > >
                            > > > \
                            > >
                            > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                            \
                            > >
                            > > \
                            > >
                            > > > \
                            > >
                            > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                            > >
                            > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                            > >
                            > > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                            would be
                            > >
                            > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                            any
                            > >
                            > > > truth
                            > >
                            > > > > > to the rumour?
                            > >
                            > > > > >
                            > >
                            > > > >
                            > >
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >

                          • Jim
                            This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me.. A couple of quick thoughts. First to Brian Pohanka..
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                              This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                              A couple of quick thoughts.
                              First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at his finger tips. I miss  him. And I didn't even know him half as well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                              To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett, Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted on this. but it was from the book.
                              Sheens Lee for me was portrayed accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was probably as close as one can get to it all.
                              I still watch the movie. I have the directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                              I am looking forward to the Directors cut of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We shall see.
                              The other Jim
                              Jim Lamason
                              ----- Original Message -----
                              Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:50 AM
                              Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                               

                              Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                              --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                              From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                              Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                              To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                              Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                               


                              Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                              I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                              away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                              When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                              the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                              details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                              hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                              to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                              Coly

                              --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                              <theaprils@...> wrote:
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                              getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                              any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                              movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                              http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                              > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                              them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                              into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                              the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                              that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                              too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                              (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                              Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                              background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                              in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                              the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                              director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                              take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                              win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                              agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                              the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                              questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                              enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                              kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                              movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                              deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                              > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                              to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                              and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                              each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                              we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                              be checking in more often.
                              >
                              > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                              OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                              money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                              G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                              > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                              can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                              > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                              Generals Movie Coming Out
                              > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                              > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                              > >
                              > >
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                              > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                              > >
                              > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                              > >
                              > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                              > >
                              > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                              like
                              > >
                              > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                              another
                              > >
                              > > Star Trek movie.
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                              Van
                              > >
                              > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                              > >
                              > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                              and
                              > >
                              > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                              > >
                              > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                              > >
                              > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                              > >
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                              > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                              > >
                              > > movies due to their badness.
                              > >
                              > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                              > >
                              > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                              > >
                              > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                              overbearing.
                              > >
                              > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                              course
                              > >
                              > > I am going to get this!!!
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                              > >
                              > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                              > >
                              > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                              > >
                              > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                              > >
                              > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > Â
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                              in
                              > >
                              > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                              TNT a
                              > >
                              > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                              buying
                              > >
                              > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                              H"
                              > >
                              > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                              \
                              > >
                              > > \
                              > >
                              > > > \
                              > >
                              > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
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                              <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                              \
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                              > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                              > >
                              > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                              > >
                              > > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                              would be
                              > >
                              > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                              any
                              > >
                              > > > truth
                              > >
                              > > > > > to the rumour?
                              > >
                              > > > > >
                              > >
                              > > > >
                              > >
                              > > >
                              > >
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                            • Raymond OHara
                              I didn t think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos
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                                I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.

                                I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.

                                --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM

                                 

                                

                                This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                A couple of quick thoughts.
                                First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at his finger tips. I miss  him. And I didn't even know him half as well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett, Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted on this. but it was from the book.
                                Sheens Lee for me was portrayed accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                I still watch the movie. I have the directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                I am looking forward to the Directors cut of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We shall see.
                                The other Jim
                                Jim Lamason
                                ----- Original Message -----
                                Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:50 AM
                                Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                 

                                Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                                --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                                 


                                Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                                I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                                away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                                When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                                the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                                details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                                hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                                to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                                Coly

                                --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                                <theaprils@...> wrote:
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                                getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                                any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                                > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                                them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                                into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                                the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                                that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                                (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                                Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                                the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                                director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                                take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                                agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                                the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                                questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                                enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                                kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                                movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                                deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                                > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                                to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                                and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                                each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                                we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                                be checking in more often.
                                >
                                > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                                money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                                G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                                > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                Generals Movie Coming Out
                                > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                                > >
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                                > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                                > >
                                > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                > >
                                > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                                > >
                                > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                                like
                                > >
                                > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                                another
                                > >
                                > > Star Trek movie.
                                > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                                Van
                                > >
                                > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
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                                > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                                > >
                                > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                and
                                > >
                                > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                > >
                                > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                > >
                                > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                                > >
                                > > >
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                                > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                                > >
                                > > movies due to their badness.
                                > >
                                > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                                > >
                                > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                > >
                                > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                                overbearing.
                                > >
                                > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                                course
                                > >
                                > > I am going to get this!!!
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                                > >
                                > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                > >
                                > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                > >
                                > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                > >
                                > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > Â
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                in
                                > >
                                > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                                TNT a
                                > >
                                > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                                buying
                                > >
                                > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                                H"
                                > >
                                > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                                \
                                > >
                                > > \
                                > >
                                > > > \
                                > >
                                > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                > >
                                <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                                \
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                                > > \
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                                > > > \
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                                > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                > >
                                > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                > >
                                > > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                would be
                                > >
                                > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                                any
                                > >
                                > > > truth
                                > >
                                > > > > > to the rumour?
                                > >
                                > > > > >
                                > >
                                > > > >
                                > >
                                > > >
                                > >
                                >

                              • Jim
                                Ray, The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a small way I can relate to how he was
                                Message 15 of 22 , Apr 27, 2011
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                                  Ray,
                                  The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a small way I can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which I believe is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help. And Old Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was obvious that Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not shared in the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels.  But those of us who know this see how that sifts through.
                                   
                                  The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me. I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good job, though as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far more then I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again, one his own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They had never seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                  To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                  In closing one other thing. Though I had been studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came out, it was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then tweaked me, or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events of those eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to where I am now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state who were involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the less, they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places that all now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach Orchard, The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles Salient. With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my loss.
                                  Jim Lamason
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                   

                                  I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.

                                  I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.

                                  --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                  From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                  Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                  To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM

                                   

                                  

                                  This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                  A couple of quick thoughts.
                                  First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at his finger tips. I miss  him. And I didn't even know him half as well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                  To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett, Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted on this. but it was from the book.
                                  Sheens Lee for me was portrayed accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                  I still watch the movie. I have the directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                  I am looking forward to the Directors cut of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We shall see.
                                  The other Jim
                                  Jim Lamason
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:50 AM
                                  Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                   

                                  Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                                  --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                  From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                  Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                  To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                  Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                                   


                                  Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                                  I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                                  away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                                  When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                                  the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                                  details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                                  hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                                  to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                                  Coly

                                  --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                                  <theaprils@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                                  getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                                  any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                  movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                  http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                                  > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                                  them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                                  into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                                  the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                                  that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                  too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                                  (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                                  Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                  background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                  in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                                  the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                                  director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                                  take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                  win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                                  agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                                  the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                                  questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                                  enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                                  kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                                  movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                                  deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                                  > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                                  to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                                  and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                                  each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                                  we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                                  be checking in more often.
                                  >
                                  > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                  OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                                  money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                                  G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                                  > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                  can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                  > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                  Generals Movie Coming Out
                                  > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                  > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
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                                  > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                                  > >
                                  > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                  > >
                                  > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                                  > >
                                  > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                                  like
                                  > >
                                  > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                                  another
                                  > >
                                  > > Star Trek movie.
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                                  Van
                                  > >
                                  > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                                  > >
                                  > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                  and
                                  > >
                                  > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                  > >
                                  > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >
                                  > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > Â
                                  > >
                                  > > >
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                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                                  > >
                                  > > movies due to their badness.
                                  > >
                                  > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                                  > >
                                  > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                  > >
                                  > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                                  overbearing.
                                  > >
                                  > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                                  course
                                  > >
                                  > > I am going to get this!!!
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                                  > >
                                  > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                  > >
                                  > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                  > >
                                  > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                  > >
                                  > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > Â
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                  in
                                  > >
                                  > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                                  TNT a
                                  > >
                                  > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                                  buying
                                  > >
                                  > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                                  H"
                                  > >
                                  > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                                  \
                                  > >
                                  > > \
                                  > >
                                  > > > \
                                  > >
                                  > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  > >
                                  <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                                  \
                                  > >
                                  > > \
                                  > >
                                  > > > \
                                  > >
                                  > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                  > >
                                  > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                  would be
                                  > >
                                  > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                                  any
                                  > >
                                  > > > truth
                                  > >
                                  > > > > > to the rumour?
                                  > >
                                  > > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > > >
                                  > >
                                  > > >
                                  > >
                                  >

                                • Teej
                                  Raymond O Hara wrote: I didn t think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked
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                                    Raymond O'Hara wrote:
                                    I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.
                                       
                                        Well, to each his own, I suppose. I thought Stephen Lang did a fantastic job as the somewhat vacuous George Pickett; Andrew Prine captured the essence of Dick Garnett still suffering from Jackson's treatment of him during the Valley Campaign; Morgan Shepherd was able to convey the stubborn, ever complaining Issac Trimble admirably and even Richard Jordan, who died of a brain tumor shortly after the movie was released,  did a good job depicting a man torn between duty and the fear of being responsible for the death of his dearest friend. I'm not sure how much more animated Longstreet could have been under the circumstances so, IMO, Berenger played the Longstreet of Gettysburg as well as anyone could have.  The one performance that was like nails on a chalkboard to me was the guy, whose name escapes me at the moment, who played Johnston Pettigrew.

                                    I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.
                                     
                                       Brian was brilliant but he was also a generous and giving person. He was a long time member of a Civil War discussion group that I moderate and there was no question directed to him that wasn't answered and quickly. The Civil War community lost a friend and a scholar when Brian passed away.
                                     
                                    Teej



                                  • Raymond OHara
                                    so much on Lee s health is post war speculation and generated by a desire to absolve Lee. he was sick, it was Longstreet s fault, it was Stuart s fault yada
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                                      so much on Lee's health is post war speculation and generated by a desire to absolve Lee.
                                      "he was sick, it was Longstreet's fault, it was Stuart's fault" yada yada. Lee rode with the Army and he was up and about on the field during all 3 days yet no one he dealt with mentions it.

                                      --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                      From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 6:13 AM

                                       

                                      

                                      Ray,
                                      The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a small way I can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which I believe is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help. And Old Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was obvious that Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not shared in the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels.  But those of us who know this see how that sifts through.
                                       
                                      The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me. I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good job, though as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far more then I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again, one his own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They had never seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                      To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                      In closing one other thing. Though I had been studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came out, it was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then tweaked me, or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events of those eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to where I am now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state who were involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the less, they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places that all now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach Orchard, The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles Salient. With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my loss.
                                      Jim Lamason
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                       

                                      I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.

                                      I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.

                                      --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                      From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                      Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM

                                       

                                      

                                      This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                      A couple of quick thoughts.
                                      First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at his finger tips. I miss  him. And I didn't even know him half as well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                      To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett, Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted on this. but it was from the book.
                                      Sheens Lee for me was portrayed accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                      I still watch the movie. I have the directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                      I am looking forward to the Directors cut of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We shall see.
                                      The other Jim
                                      Jim Lamason
                                      ----- Original Message -----
                                      Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 7:50 AM
                                      Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                       

                                      Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                                      --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                      From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                      Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                                       


                                      Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                                      I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                                      away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                                      When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                                      the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                                      details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                                      hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                                      to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                                      Coly

                                      --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                                      <theaprils@...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      >
                                      > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                                      getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                                      any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                      movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                      http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                                      > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                                      them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                                      into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                                      the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                                      that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                      too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                                      (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                                      Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                      background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                      in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                                      the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                                      director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                                      take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                      win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                                      agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                                      the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                                      questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                                      enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                                      kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                                      movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                                      deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                                      > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                                      to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                                      and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                                      each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                                      we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                                      be checking in more often.
                                      >
                                      > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                      OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                                      money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                                      G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                                      > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                      can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                      > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                      Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                                      > >
                                      > >
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                                      > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                                      > >
                                      > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                      > >
                                      > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                                      > >
                                      > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                                      like
                                      > >
                                      > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                                      another
                                      > >
                                      > > Star Trek movie.
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > >
                                      > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                                      Van
                                      > >
                                      > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                                      > >
                                      > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                      and
                                      > >
                                      > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      > >
                                      > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >
                                      > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
                                      > >
                                      > > >
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                                      > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                                      > >
                                      > > movies due to their badness.
                                      > >
                                      > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                                      > >
                                      > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                      > >
                                      > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                                      overbearing.
                                      > >
                                      > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                                      course
                                      > >
                                      > > I am going to get this!!!
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                                      > >
                                      > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                      > >
                                      > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                      > >
                                      > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                      > >
                                      > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > Â
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                      in
                                      > >
                                      > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                                      TNT a
                                      > >
                                      > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                                      buying
                                      > >
                                      > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                                      H"
                                      > >
                                      > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
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                                      http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
                                      \
                                      > >
                                      > > \
                                      > >
                                      > > > \
                                      > >
                                      > > > > -and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
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                                      <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
                                      \
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                                      > > \
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                                      > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                      > >
                                      > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                      > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                      would be
                                      > >
                                      > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                                      any
                                      > >
                                      > > > truth
                                      > >
                                      > > > > > to the rumour?
                                      > >
                                      > > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > > >
                                      > >
                                      > > >
                                      > >
                                      >

                                    • Raymond OHara
                                      so much on Lee s health is post war speculation and generated by a desire to absolve Lee. he was sick, it was Longstreet s fault, it was Stuart s fault yada
                                      Message 18 of 22 , Apr 27, 2011
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                                        so much on Lee's health is post war speculation and generated by a desire to absolve Lee.
                                        "he was sick, it was Longstreet's fault, it was Stuart's fault" yada yada. Lee rode with the Army and he was up and about on the field during all 3 days yet no one he dealt with mentions it.

                                        --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                        From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 6:13 AM

                                         

                                        

                                        Ray,
                                        The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a small way I can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which I believe is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help. And Old Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was obvious that Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not shared in the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels.  But those of us who know this see how that sifts through.
                                         
                                        The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me. I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good job, though as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far more then I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again, one his own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They had never seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                        To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                        In closing one other thing. Though I had been studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came out, it was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then tweaked me, or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events of those eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to where I am now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state who were involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the less, they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places that all now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach Orchard, The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles Salient. With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my loss.
                                        Jim Lamason
                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                         

                                        I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.

                                        I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.

                                        --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim <cw1951@...> wrote:

                                        From: Jim <cw1951@...>
                                        Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM

                                         

                                        

                                        This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                        A couple of quick thoughts.
                                        First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at his finger tips. I miss  him. And I didn't even know him half as well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                        To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett, Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted on this. but it was from the book.
                                        Sheens Lee for me was portrayed accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                        I still watch the movie. I have the directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                        I am looking forward to the Directors cut of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We shall see.
                                        The other Jim
                                        Jim Lamason
                                        ----- Original Message -----
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                                        Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                         

                                        Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack intrusive.

                                        --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                        From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                        Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        Date: Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM

                                         


                                        Jim, nice to hear from you again.

                                        I think Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little carried
                                        away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie to be 100% accurate.
                                        When the History Channel showed the documentary on Sherman's March to
                                        the Sea another message board I belong too was complaining about small
                                        details like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to try
                                        hard in presenting historical material as accurate as possible but due
                                        to budgets, editing and other factors that won't happen.

                                        Coly

                                        --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Jim"
                                        <theaprils@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > First, I'm back after a long period of not commenting because it was
                                        getting pretty rough out there with major disagreements taking away from
                                        any hope of learning anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                        movies are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                        http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for one, look forward to it.
                                        > Purists, like Raymond, may not like them (even if he actually saw
                                        them) but Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new generation
                                        into researching the Civil War. It definitely didn't hurt attendance at
                                        the Park. Gods and Generals, on the other hand, was disappointing in
                                        that it seemed very preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                        too much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold Mountain
                                        (both probably due to the interest/sucess generated by Gettysburg).
                                        Visiting the other website that was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                        background that I had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                        in a shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless, I found
                                        the large gaps in the story line to be very annoying and feel the
                                        director was trying to "stuff" too much time in too little space. I will
                                        take the time to give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                        win me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in Gettysburg (I
                                        agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange General Lee) and would take
                                        the accuracy of that film over the also entertaining but historically
                                        questionable Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I truly
                                        enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War Between the States (Just
                                        kidding with you Raymond)and I think that is the point of most Civil War
                                        movies. To entertain, make money and spark an interest into looking
                                        deeper at this great conflict and unique moment in time of our nation.
                                        > I look forward to learning more from this group and hope we all learn
                                        to be more willing to hear different points of view in a more tolerant,
                                        and respectful, environment. We don't have to overwhelm and disrespect
                                        each other to make a point. We also will never agree on everything but
                                        we do share an interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and I'll
                                        be checking in more often.
                                        >
                                        > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                        OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi makes
                                        money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by Gettysburg and G &
                                        G,G-burg is passable but the other was terrible.
                                        > > with the 150th fast approaching it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                        can make money and the CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11, vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                        > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                        Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                                        > >
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                                        > > I disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed any
                                        > >
                                        > > possible future releases of Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                        > >
                                        > > which is a very popular topic in this country with round tables all
                                        > >
                                        > > around the country and even some in other countries. It would be
                                        like
                                        > >
                                        > > saying a bad science fiction movie killing any further hopes of
                                        another
                                        > >
                                        > > Star Trek movie.
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > >
                                        > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Victor
                                        Van
                                        > >
                                        > > Tuyl <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >
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                                        > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > From: Raymond OHara raymondohara@
                                        > >
                                        > > > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                        and
                                        > >
                                        > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        > >
                                        > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >
                                        > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09 PM
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                                        > > > two movies that have basically killed any hopes of any further CW
                                        > >
                                        > > movies due to their badness.
                                        > >
                                        > > > the acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg but
                                        > >
                                        > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                        > >
                                        > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive and
                                        overbearing.
                                        > >
                                        > > > yay! another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but of
                                        course
                                        > >
                                        > > I am going to get this!!!
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                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > >
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                                        > >
                                        > > > From: Crystal jammor2005@
                                        > >
                                        > > > Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                        > >
                                        > > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                        > >
                                        > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                        > >
                                        > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29 AM
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                                        > > > They are also releasing the full Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                        in
                                        > >
                                        > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of Gettysburg on
                                        TNT a
                                        > >
                                        > > > couple of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will be
                                        buying
                                        > >
                                        > > > the DVD when it comes out.
                                        > >
                                        > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, "Coly
                                        H"
                                        > >
                                        > > > csh_2088@ wrote:
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                                        > > > > It sounds like there may be something to that rumour.
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                                        http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-gods\
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                                        <http://gcaggiano.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/six-hour-directors-cut-of-god\
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                                        > > > > s-and-generals-to-be-released-in-2011/>
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                                        > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                        > >
                                        > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                        > >
                                        > > > > >
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > I heard that the full 6 hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                        would be
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > coming out later this year and I wanted to know if there was
                                        any
                                        > >
                                        > > > truth
                                        > >
                                        > > > > > to the rumour?
                                        > >
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                                      • Jim
                                        Thank you Teej... Actually Pettigrew was played by some one who had played James Bond in one movie only. His name escapes me.. But it should be in the movies
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                                          Thank you Teej... Actually Pettigrew was played by some one who had played James Bond in one movie only. His name escapes me.. But it should be in the movies credits.
                                          When it comes to Brian, and IIRC I have shared my story with you at least Teej. While in essence in his last days he shared his knowledge of G.K.. Warren with me in several emails and a phone call.. I had responded to an email he had sent me, and never got a reply.. Found out several hours later, he had passed away... I know I didnt know him as well as you, and Eric Wittenberg, Pat Schroder and several others. But dang.. I miss him.. And we lost a true historian, friend, and staunch supporter of CW preservation. And if I miss him.. Oh my, how much you all must miss him that knew him well..
                                          Jim Lamason
                                          ----- Original Message -----
                                          From: Teej
                                          Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:30 AM
                                          Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out

                                           

                                          

                                          Raymond O'Hara wrote:
                                          I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting, they liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs, they posed it exactly like the photo.
                                             
                                              Well, to each his own, I suppose. I thought Stephen Lang did a fantastic job as the somewhat vacuous George Pickett; Andrew Prine captured the essence of Dick Garnett still suffering from Jackson's treatment of him during the Valley Campaign; Morgan Shepherd was able to convey the stubborn, ever complaining Issac Trimble admirably and even Richard Jordan, who died of a brain tumor shortly after the movie was released,  did a good job depicting a man torn between duty and the fear of being responsible for the death of his dearest friend. I'm not sure how much more animated Longstreet could have been under the circumstances so, IMO, Berenger played the Longstreet of Gettysburg as well as anyone could have.  The one performance that was like nails on a chalkboard to me was the guy, whose name escapes me at the moment, who played Johnston Pettigrew.

                                          I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that that. cancer is a scourge.
                                           
                                             Brian was brilliant but he was also a generous and giving person. He was a long time member of a Civil War discussion group that I moderate and there was no question directed to him that wasn't answered and quickly. The Civil War community lost a friend and a scholar when Brian passed away.
                                           
                                          Teej



                                        • Coly H
                                          If you are the commander of an army you do not want to appear to be weak in front of your men. During Roosevelt s presidency no one mentioned he was in a
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                                            If you are the commander of an army you do not want to appear to be
                                            "weak" in front of your men. During Roosevelt's presidency no one
                                            mentioned he was in a wheel chair, Woodrow Wilson was very sick during
                                            his presidency as was Kennedy. Being sick does not mean you can not walk
                                            around in front of the men in fact it is reassuring for soldiers to see
                                            their commander in charge and not laid up in bed.


                                            --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                            OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > so much on Lee's health is post war speculation and generated by a
                                            desire to absolve Lee."he was sick, it was Longstreet's fault, it was
                                            Stuart's fault" yada yada. Lee rode with the Army and he was up and
                                            about on the field during all 3 days yet no one he dealt with mentions
                                            it.
                                            >
                                            > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim cw1951@... wrote:
                                            >
                                            > From: Jim cw1951@...
                                            > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                            Generals Movie Coming Out
                                            > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 6:13 AM
                                            >
                                            >
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                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Ray,
                                            > The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that
                                            > as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a
                                            small way I
                                            > can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought
                                            > processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to
                                            > understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push
                                            > Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which
                                            I believe
                                            > is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help.
                                            And Old
                                            > Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was
                                            obvious that
                                            > Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not
                                            shared in
                                            > the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels. But those
                                            of us who
                                            > know this see how that sifts through.
                                            > Â
                                            > The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me.
                                            > I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good
                                            job, though
                                            > as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far
                                            more then
                                            > I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again,
                                            one his
                                            > own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They
                                            had never
                                            > seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                            > To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal
                                            > of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                            > In closing one other thing. Though I had been
                                            > studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came
                                            out, it
                                            > was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then
                                            tweaked me,
                                            > or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events
                                            of those
                                            > eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to
                                            where I am
                                            > now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state
                                            who were
                                            > involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the
                                            less,
                                            > they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places
                                            that all
                                            > now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach
                                            Orchard,
                                            > The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles
                                            Salient.
                                            > With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my
                                            loss.
                                            >
                                            > Jim Lamason
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From:
                                            > Raymond
                                            > OHara
                                            > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            >
                                            > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55
                                            > AM
                                            > Subject: Re:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                            Movie Coming
                                            > Out
                                            >
                                            > Â
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the
                                            > acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting,
                                            they
                                            > liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs,
                                            they
                                            > posed it exactly like the photo.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he
                                            > was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that
                                            > that. cancer is a scourge.
                                            >
                                            > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim
                                            > cw1951@... wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > From:
                                            > Jim cw1951@...
                                            > Subject: Re:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                            > Movie Coming Out
                                            > To:
                                            > 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Date:
                                            > Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Â
                                            >
                                            > 
                                            > This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have
                                            > been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                            >
                                            > A couple of quick thoughts.
                                            > First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I
                                            > had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his
                                            > passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War
                                            > Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his
                                            > knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at
                                            > his finger tips. I miss him. And I didn't even know him half as
                                            > well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he
                                            > had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                            > To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a
                                            > very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the
                                            > public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a
                                            > nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they
                                            > are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come
                                            > close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice
                                            > others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are
                                            > other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th
                                            > Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the
                                            > memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett,
                                            > Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to
                                            > save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted
                                            > on this. but it was from the book.
                                            > Sheens Lee for me was portrayed
                                            > accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned
                                            > already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The
                                            > heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing
                                            > him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And
                                            > then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was
                                            > probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                            > I still watch the movie. I have the
                                            > directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                            > I am looking forward to the Directors cut
                                            > of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We
                                            > shall see.
                                            > The other Jim
                                            > Jim Lamason
                                            >
                                            > ----- Original Message -----
                                            > From: Raymond
                                            > OHara
                                            > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            >
                                            > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011
                                            > 7:50 AM
                                            > Subject: Re:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                            > Movie Coming Out
                                            >
                                            > Â
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the
                                            > execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack
                                            > intrusive.
                                            >
                                            > --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H csh_2088@...
                                            > wrote:
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > From: Coly
                                            > H csh_2088@...
                                            > Subject:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                            > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                            > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > Date:
                                            > Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Â
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > Jim, nice to hear from you again.
                                            >
                                            > I think
                                            > Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little
                                            > carried
                                            > away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie
                                            > to be 100% accurate.
                                            > When the History Channel showed the
                                            > documentary on Sherman's March to
                                            > the Sea another message
                                            > board I belong too was complaining about small
                                            > details
                                            > like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to
                                            > try
                                            > hard in presenting historical material as accurate as
                                            > possible but due
                                            > to budgets, editing and other factors
                                            > that won't happen.
                                            >
                                            > Coly
                                            >
                                            > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                            > "Jim"
                                            > theaprils@
                                            > wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > First, I'm
                                            > back after a long period of not commenting because it
                                            > was
                                            > getting pretty rough out there with major
                                            > disagreements taking away from
                                            > any hope of learning
                                            > anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                            > movies
                                            > are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                            > http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for
                                            > one, look forward to it.
                                            > > Purists, like Raymond, may
                                            > not like them (even if he actually saw
                                            > them) but
                                            > Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new
                                            > generation
                                            > into researching the Civil War. It definitely
                                            > didn't hurt attendance at
                                            > the Park. Gods and Generals, on
                                            > the other hand, was disappointing in
                                            > that it seemed very
                                            > preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                            > too
                                            > much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold
                                            > Mountain
                                            > (both probably due to the interest/sucess
                                            > generated by Gettysburg).
                                            > Visiting the other website that
                                            > was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                            > background that I
                                            > had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                            > in a
                                            > shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless,
                                            > I found
                                            > the large gaps in the story line to be very
                                            > annoying and feel the
                                            > director was trying to "stuff" too
                                            > much time in too little space. I will
                                            > take the time to
                                            > give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                            > win
                                            > me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in
                                            > Gettysburg (I
                                            > agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange
                                            > General Lee) and would take
                                            > the accuracy of that film
                                            > over the also entertaining but historically
                                            > questionable
                                            > Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I
                                            > truly
                                            > enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War
                                            > Between the States (Just
                                            > kidding with you Raymond)and I
                                            > think that is the point of most Civil War
                                            > movies. To
                                            > entertain, make money and spark an interest into
                                            > looking
                                            > deeper at this great conflict and unique moment
                                            > in time of our nation.
                                            > > I look forward to learning
                                            > more from this group and hope we all learn
                                            > to be more
                                            > willing to hear different points of view in a more
                                            > tolerant,
                                            > and respectful, environment. We don't have to
                                            > overwhelm and disrespect
                                            > each other to make a point. We
                                            > also will never agree on everything but
                                            > we do share an
                                            > interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and
                                            > I'll
                                            > be checking in more often.
                                            > >
                                            > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                            > Raymond
                                            > OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi
                                            > makes
                                            > money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by
                                            > Gettysburg and G &
                                            > G,G-burg is passable but the other
                                            > was terrible.
                                            > > > with the 150th fast approaching
                                            > it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                            > can make money and the
                                            > CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11,
                                            > vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                            > > > Subject:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                            > and
                                            > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                            > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >
                                            > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                                            > >
                                            > >
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                                            > > >
                                            > > > I
                                            > disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed
                                            > any
                                            > > >
                                            > > > possible future releases of
                                            > Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > which is a very popular topic in this country with
                                            > round tables all
                                            > > >
                                            > > > around the
                                            > country and even some in other countries. It would
                                            > be
                                            > like
                                            > > >
                                            > > > saying a bad science
                                            > fiction movie killing any further hopes
                                            > of
                                            > another
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Star Trek
                                            > movie.
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                            > Victor
                                            > Van
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Tuyl
                                            > <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > --- On
                                            > Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > From: Raymond OHara
                                            > raymondohara@
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > Subject: Re:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full
                                            > Gods
                                            > and
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                            > Out
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09
                                            > PM
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > Â
                                            > > >
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                                            > > > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > two movies that have basically killed
                                            > any hopes of any further CW
                                            > > >
                                            > > > movies
                                            > due to their badness.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > the
                                            > acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg
                                            > but
                                            > > >
                                            > > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as
                                            > Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive
                                            > and
                                            > overbearing.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > yay!
                                            > another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but
                                            > of
                                            > course
                                            > > >
                                            > > > I am going to get
                                            > this!!!
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > From: Crystal
                                            > jammor2005@
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > Subject:
                                            > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                            > and
                                            > > >
                                            > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                            > Out
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29
                                            > AM
                                            > > >
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                                            > > > > Â
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                                            > > > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > They are also releasing the full
                                            > Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                            > in
                                            > > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of
                                            > Gettysburg on
                                            > TNT a
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > couple
                                            > of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will
                                            > be
                                            > buying
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > the DVD when it
                                            > comes out.
                                            > > >
                                            > > > >
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                            > "Coly
                                            > H"
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > csh_2088@
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > >
                                            > >
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                                            > > > >
                                            > > It sounds like there may be something to that
                                            > rumour.
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                                            > > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@
                                            > wrote:
                                            > > >
                                            > > > > > >
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                                            > >
                                            > > > > > > I heard that the full 6
                                            > hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                            > would be
                                            > >
                                            > >
                                            > > > > > > coming out later this year
                                            > and I wanted to know if there was
                                            > any
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                                            > > > > truth
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                                            > > > to the rumour?
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                                          • Raymond OHara
                                            no one mentioned he was in wheel chair, but it was common knowledge , not so with Lee and his illness no one seemed to notice and none of the stories come
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                                              no one mentioned he was in wheel chair, but it was common knowledge , not so with Lee and his "illness" no one seemed to notice and none of the stories come from those who actually knew him. it was a post war spin that appeared in the early days of the "Lost Cause"

                                              --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                              From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                              Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                              To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:28 AM

                                               


                                              If you are the commander of an army you do not want to appear to be
                                              "weak" in front of your men. During Roosevelt's presidency no one
                                              mentioned he was in a wheel chair, Woodrow Wilson was very sick during
                                              his presidency as was Kennedy. Being sick does not mean you can not walk
                                              around in front of the men in fact it is reassuring for soldiers to see
                                              their commander in charge and not laid up in bed.

                                              --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                              OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > so much on Lee's health is post war speculation and generated by a
                                              desire to absolve Lee."he was sick, it was Longstreet's fault, it was
                                              Stuart's fault" yada yada. Lee rode with the Army and he was up and
                                              about on the field during all 3 days yet no one he dealt with mentions
                                              it.
                                              >
                                              > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim cw1951@... wrote:
                                              >
                                              > From: Jim cw1951@...
                                              > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                              Generals Movie Coming Out
                                              > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 6:13 AM
                                              >
                                              >
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                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Ray,
                                              > The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that
                                              > as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a
                                              small way I
                                              > can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought
                                              > processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to
                                              > understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push
                                              > Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which
                                              I believe
                                              > is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help.
                                              And Old
                                              > Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was
                                              obvious that
                                              > Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not
                                              shared in
                                              > the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels. But those
                                              of us who
                                              > know this see how that sifts through.
                                              > Â
                                              > The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me.
                                              > I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good
                                              job, though
                                              > as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far
                                              more then
                                              > I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again,
                                              one his
                                              > own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They
                                              had never
                                              > seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                              > To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal
                                              > of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                              > In closing one other thing. Though I had been
                                              > studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came
                                              out, it
                                              > was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then
                                              tweaked me,
                                              > or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events
                                              of those
                                              > eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to
                                              where I am
                                              > now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state
                                              who were
                                              > involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the
                                              less,
                                              > they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places
                                              that all
                                              > now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach
                                              Orchard,
                                              > The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles
                                              Salient.
                                              > With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my
                                              loss.
                                              >
                                              > Jim Lamason
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From:
                                              > Raymond
                                              > OHara
                                              > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              >
                                              > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55
                                              > AM
                                              > Subject: Re:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                              Movie Coming
                                              > Out
                                              >
                                              > Â
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the
                                              > acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting,
                                              they
                                              > liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs,
                                              they
                                              > posed it exactly like the photo.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he
                                              > was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that
                                              > that. cancer is a scourge.
                                              >
                                              > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim
                                              > cw1951@... wrote:
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > From:
                                              > Jim cw1951@...
                                              > Subject: Re:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                              > Movie Coming Out
                                              > To:
                                              > 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Date:
                                              > Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Â
                                              >
                                              > 
                                              > This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have
                                              > been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                              >
                                              > A couple of quick thoughts.
                                              > First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I
                                              > had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his
                                              > passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War
                                              > Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his
                                              > knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at
                                              > his finger tips. I miss him. And I didn't even know him half as
                                              > well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he
                                              > had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                              > To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a
                                              > very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the
                                              > public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a
                                              > nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they
                                              > are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come
                                              > close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice
                                              > others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are
                                              > other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th
                                              > Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the
                                              > memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett,
                                              > Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to
                                              > save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted
                                              > on this. but it was from the book.
                                              > Sheens Lee for me was portrayed
                                              > accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned
                                              > already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The
                                              > heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing
                                              > him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And
                                              > then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was
                                              > probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                              > I still watch the movie. I have the
                                              > directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                              > I am looking forward to the Directors cut
                                              > of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We
                                              > shall see.
                                              > The other Jim
                                              > Jim Lamason
                                              >
                                              > ----- Original Message -----
                                              > From: Raymond
                                              > OHara
                                              > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              >
                                              > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011
                                              > 7:50 AM
                                              > Subject: Re:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                              > Movie Coming Out
                                              >
                                              > Â
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the
                                              > execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack
                                              > intrusive.
                                              >
                                              > --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H csh_2088@...
                                              > wrote:
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > From: Coly
                                              > H csh_2088@...
                                              > Subject:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                              > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                              > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Date:
                                              > Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Â
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Jim, nice to hear from you again.
                                              >
                                              > I think
                                              > Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little
                                              > carried
                                              > away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie
                                              > to be 100% accurate.
                                              > When the History Channel showed the
                                              > documentary on Sherman's March to
                                              > the Sea another message
                                              > board I belong too was complaining about small
                                              > details
                                              > like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to
                                              > try
                                              > hard in presenting historical material as accurate as
                                              > possible but due
                                              > to budgets, editing and other factors
                                              > that won't happen.
                                              >
                                              > Coly
                                              >
                                              > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                              > "Jim"
                                              > theaprils@
                                              > wrote:
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > First, I'm
                                              > back after a long period of not commenting because it
                                              > was
                                              > getting pretty rough out there with major
                                              > disagreements taking away from
                                              > any hope of learning
                                              > anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                              > movies
                                              > are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                              > http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for
                                              > one, look forward to it.
                                              > > Purists, like Raymond, may
                                              > not like them (even if he actually saw
                                              > them) but
                                              > Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new
                                              > generation
                                              > into researching the Civil War. It definitely
                                              > didn't hurt attendance at
                                              > the Park. Gods and Generals, on
                                              > the other hand, was disappointing in
                                              > that it seemed very
                                              > preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                              > too
                                              > much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold
                                              > Mountain
                                              > (both probably due to the interest/sucess
                                              > generated by Gettysburg).
                                              > Visiting the other website that
                                              > was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                              > background that I
                                              > had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                              > in a
                                              > shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless,
                                              > I found
                                              > the large gaps in the story line to be very
                                              > annoying and feel the
                                              > director was trying to "stuff" too
                                              > much time in too little space. I will
                                              > take the time to
                                              > give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                              > win
                                              > me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in
                                              > Gettysburg (I
                                              > agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange
                                              > General Lee) and would take
                                              > the accuracy of that film
                                              > over the also entertaining but historically
                                              > questionable
                                              > Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I
                                              > truly
                                              > enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War
                                              > Between the States (Just
                                              > kidding with you Raymond)and I
                                              > think that is the point of most Civil War
                                              > movies. To
                                              > entertain, make money and spark an interest into
                                              > looking
                                              > deeper at this great conflict and unique moment
                                              > in time of our nation.
                                              > > I look forward to learning
                                              > more from this group and hope we all learn
                                              > to be more
                                              > willing to hear different points of view in a more
                                              > tolerant,
                                              > and respectful, environment. We don't have to
                                              > overwhelm and disrespect
                                              > each other to make a point. We
                                              > also will never agree on everything but
                                              > we do share an
                                              > interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and
                                              > I'll
                                              > be checking in more often.
                                              > >
                                              > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                              > Raymond
                                              > OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi
                                              > makes
                                              > money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by
                                              > Gettysburg and G &
                                              > G,G-burg is passable but the other
                                              > was terrible.
                                              > > > with the 150th fast approaching
                                              > it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                              > can make money and the
                                              > CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11,
                                              > vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                              > > > Subject:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                              > and
                                              > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                              > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >
                                              > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
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                                              > > > I
                                              > disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed
                                              > any
                                              > > >
                                              > > > possible future releases of
                                              > Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > which is a very popular topic in this country with
                                              > round tables all
                                              > > >
                                              > > > around the
                                              > country and even some in other countries. It would
                                              > be
                                              > like
                                              > > >
                                              > > > saying a bad science
                                              > fiction movie killing any further hopes
                                              > of
                                              > another
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Star Trek
                                              > movie.
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                              > Victor
                                              > Van
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Tuyl
                                              > <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
                                              > > >
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                                              > > > > --- On
                                              > Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                              > >
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                                              > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > From: Raymond OHara
                                              > raymondohara@
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > Subject: Re:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full
                                              > Gods
                                              > and
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                              > Out
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09
                                              > PM
                                              > > >
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                                              > > > > two movies that have basically killed
                                              > any hopes of any further CW
                                              > > >
                                              > > > movies
                                              > due to their badness.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > the
                                              > acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg
                                              > but
                                              > > >
                                              > > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as
                                              > Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive
                                              > and
                                              > overbearing.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > yay!
                                              > another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but
                                              > of
                                              > course
                                              > > >
                                              > > > I am going to get
                                              > this!!!
                                              > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@
                                              > wrote:
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                                              > > >
                                              > > > > From: Crystal
                                              > jammor2005@
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > Subject:
                                              > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                              > and
                                              > > >
                                              > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                              > Out
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29
                                              > AM
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                                              > > > > They are also releasing the full
                                              > Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                              > in
                                              > > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of
                                              > Gettysburg on
                                              > TNT a
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > couple
                                              > of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will
                                              > be
                                              > buying
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > the DVD when it
                                              > comes out.
                                              > > >
                                              > > > >
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                              > "Coly
                                              > H"
                                              > > >
                                              > > > > csh_2088@
                                              > wrote:
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                                              > > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@
                                              > wrote:
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                                              > > > > > > I heard that the full 6
                                              > hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                              > would be
                                              > >
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                                              > > > > > > coming out later this year
                                              > and I wanted to know if there was
                                              > any
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                                            • KEVIN MORTIMER
                                              While we with more than a passing interest in the Civil War can pick both movies apart to various degrees. I found them both entertaining and am sure that
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                                                While we with more than a passing interest in the Civil War can pick both movies apart to various degrees. I found them both entertaining and am sure that Gettysburg at least ushered in many new people who after viewing wanted to find out more. We got more than a few new recruits who wanted to be part of the history and brotherhood of reinacting.If for no other reason than piquing ones interest it worked for me. My grandkids 9 and 5 love Gettysburg and every time they see me in uniform ask a million questions



                                                --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Raymond OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:

                                                From: Raymond OHara <raymondohara@...>
                                                Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 1:02 PM

                                                 
                                                no one mentioned he was in wheel chair, but it was common knowledge , not so with Lee and his "illness" no one seemed to notice and none of the stories come from those who actually knew him. it was a post war spin that appeared in the early days of the "Lost Cause"

                                                --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Coly H <csh_2088@...> wrote:

                                                From: Coly H <csh_2088@...>
                                                Subject: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals Movie Coming Out
                                                To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 9:28 AM

                                                 

                                                If you are the commander of an army you do not want to appear to be
                                                "weak" in front of your men. During Roosevelt's presidency no one
                                                mentioned he was in a wheel chair, Woodrow Wilson was very sick during
                                                his presidency as was Kennedy. Being sick does not mean you can not walk
                                                around in front of the men in fact it is reassuring for soldiers to see
                                                their commander in charge and not laid up in bed.

                                                --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com, Raymond
                                                OHara <raymondohara@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > so much on Lee's health is post war speculation and generated by a
                                                desire to absolve Lee."he was sick, it was Longstreet's fault, it was
                                                Stuart's fault" yada yada. Lee rode with the Army and he was up and
                                                about on the field during all 3 days yet no one he dealt with mentions
                                                it.
                                                >
                                                > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim cw1951@... wrote:
                                                >
                                                > From: Jim cw1951@...
                                                > Subject: Re: [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                                Generals Movie Coming Out
                                                > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date: Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 6:13 AM
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                >
                                                > Ray,
                                                > The reason I liked Sheens portrayal of him, is that
                                                > as one who has struggled with health issues, and life issues in a
                                                small way I
                                                > can relate to how he was feeling. And all of that impacts ones thought
                                                > processes. Especially some of the decisions that Lee made. It helps to
                                                > understand how those life events were affecting this decision to push
                                                > Longstreets assault. It was obvious too, through that portrayal which
                                                I believe
                                                > is true, that he was leaning on Longstreet for his support and help.
                                                And Old
                                                > Pete IMHO let him down. But that's for another discussion. It was
                                                obvious that
                                                > Lee missed Stonewalls input and interaction. I know I know that's not
                                                shared in
                                                > the movie. I agree. After all its from Killer Angels. But those
                                                of us who
                                                > know this see how that sifts through.
                                                > Â
                                                > The acting at times is a bit welllll rough for me.
                                                > I am one of those who think that Sam Elliots Buford was a very good
                                                job, though
                                                > as both Eric Wittenberg and J.D. Petruzzi who have studied the man far
                                                more then
                                                > I have, shared with me that JNO was not that verbose. But then again,
                                                one his
                                                > own brigade commanders said that Buford was not himself that day. They
                                                had never
                                                > seen the General so wellll upset or agitated as he was that day..
                                                > To Chamberlain for a minute. Jeff Daniels portrayal
                                                > of JLC for me at least is spot on.
                                                > In closing one other thing. Though I had been
                                                > studying the Civil War for almost 40 years by the time the movie came
                                                out, it
                                                > was the movie that awakened me to JLC, and all the others. And then
                                                tweaked me,
                                                > or lit a spark in me that pushed me into further study of the events
                                                of those
                                                > eventful three days, and the people involved. All of that led me to
                                                where I am
                                                > now. Deeply engrossed in the actions of the units from my home state
                                                who were
                                                > involved in it. The men from New Jersey.. A small state. but never the
                                                less,
                                                > they were all involved and deeply entwined in the events in the places
                                                that all
                                                > now ring down through history. Devils Den, The Wheatfield, The Peach
                                                Orchard,
                                                > The Angle, Culps Hill, and the Fight for the Klingle farm or Sickles
                                                Salient.
                                                > With out the movie, I may I missed that. And that would have been my
                                                loss.
                                                >
                                                > Jim Lamason
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From:
                                                > Raymond
                                                > OHara
                                                > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                >
                                                > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 8:55
                                                > AM
                                                > Subject: Re:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                                Movie Coming
                                                > Out
                                                >
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                                                >
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                                                >
                                                > I didn't think Sheen was a good Lee, I thought all the
                                                > acting was flat and lifeless. too much posing as opposed to acting,
                                                they
                                                > liked recreating old photos too. like the pic of the captured rebs,
                                                they
                                                > posed it exactly like the photo.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > I was unaware Pohanka had died, he did great work and clearly he
                                                > was immersed in the era as shown by his facial hair, sad to read that
                                                > that. cancer is a scourge.
                                                >
                                                > --- On Wed, 4/27/11, Jim
                                                > cw1951@... wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > From:
                                                > Jim cw1951@...
                                                > Subject: Re:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                                > Movie Coming Out
                                                > To:
                                                > 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date:
                                                > Wednesday, April 27, 2011, 5:45 AM
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                >
                                                > 
                                                > This is the other JIM.. ;-).. I too have
                                                > been pretty much just a lurker, but this thread tweaked me..
                                                >
                                                > A couple of quick thoughts.
                                                > First to Brian Pohanka.. Unfortunately I
                                                > had in essence been just introduced to Brian shortly before his
                                                > passing. And as I have watched him over the years on Civil War
                                                > Journal, and a couple of other things, I have been in awe of his
                                                > knowledge and ability to recall things he had learned. Like it was at
                                                > his finger tips. I miss him. And I didn't even know him half as
                                                > well as others did. And that is a deep regret I have. I suspect if he
                                                > had lived, he and I would have been fast friends.
                                                > To Gettysburg... Gettysburg for me was a
                                                > very good movie in that at least it made an attempt to introduce the
                                                > public to a time in our history that was so important to us as a
                                                > nation. Though flawed (Time tables annoy the heck out of me and they
                                                > are numerous as the parts of the battle portrayed don't even come
                                                > close in some places to actual events), it was a great way to entice
                                                > others into this wonderful obsession as my wife calls it. There are
                                                > other parts that annoy me such as portraying Chamberlain and the 20th
                                                > Maine being the sole saviors of the Union Army and LRT. It pushes the
                                                > memories of not only the common ground pounder that day, but Hazlett,
                                                > Weed, O'Rorke, and Vincent's efforts especially Vincent's efforts to
                                                > save that bloody piece of real estate. Even Warren gets short shifted
                                                > on this. but it was from the book.
                                                > Sheens Lee for me was portrayed
                                                > accurately other then showing up outside his tent as mentioned
                                                > already, in that it is common knowledge that Lee was ill by then. The
                                                > heart disease that will take his life 7 short years later was causing
                                                > him distress, the lack of sleep, lousy diet all played on him. And
                                                > then Stuarts little jaunts didn't help matters much. Sheens Lee was
                                                > probably as close as one can get to it all.
                                                > I still watch the movie. I have the
                                                > directors cut, and it explains a lot of what's going on.
                                                > I am looking forward to the Directors cut
                                                > of G & G. Just to see if what was cut out, makes a difference. We
                                                > shall see.
                                                > The other Jim
                                                > Jim Lamason
                                                >
                                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                                > From: Raymond
                                                > OHara
                                                > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                >
                                                > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011
                                                > 7:50 AM
                                                > Subject: Re:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and Generals
                                                > Movie Coming Out
                                                >
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                                                > Gettysburg was accurate enough, it was the
                                                > execution, the acting was terrible and the soundtrack
                                                > intrusive.
                                                >
                                                > --- On Tue, 4/26/11, Coly H csh_2088@...
                                                > wrote:
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > From: Coly
                                                > H csh_2088@...
                                                > Subject:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods and
                                                > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                                > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                > Date:
                                                > Tuesday, April 26, 2011, 10:04 PM
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                >
                                                >
                                                > Jim, nice to hear from you again.
                                                >
                                                > I think
                                                > Civil War buffs, historians and purists get a little
                                                > carried
                                                > away with wanting everything in a Civil War movie
                                                > to be 100% accurate.
                                                > When the History Channel showed the
                                                > documentary on Sherman's March to
                                                > the Sea another message
                                                > board I belong too was complaining about small
                                                > details
                                                > like the buttons on Sherman's uniform. Producers do need to
                                                > try
                                                > hard in presenting historical material as accurate as
                                                > possible but due
                                                > to budgets, editing and other factors
                                                > that won't happen.
                                                >
                                                > Coly
                                                >
                                                > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                                > "Jim"
                                                > theaprils@
                                                > wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > First, I'm
                                                > back after a long period of not commenting because it
                                                > was
                                                > getting pretty rough out there with major
                                                > disagreements taking away from
                                                > any hope of learning
                                                > anything new. I hope that's changed. Second, Both
                                                > movies
                                                > are coming out in extended versions May 24 2011. See
                                                > http://ronmaxwell.com/ home page. I, for
                                                > one, look forward to it.
                                                > > Purists, like Raymond, may
                                                > not like them (even if he actually saw
                                                > them) but
                                                > Gettysburg didn't bomb and probably ignited a new
                                                > generation
                                                > into researching the Civil War. It definitely
                                                > didn't hurt attendance at
                                                > the Park. Gods and Generals, on
                                                > the other hand, was disappointing in
                                                > that it seemed very
                                                > preachy and concentrated too much on one man with
                                                > too
                                                > much dialogue. It came out around the same time as Cold
                                                > Mountain
                                                > (both probably due to the interest/sucess
                                                > generated by Gettysburg).
                                                > Visiting the other website that
                                                > was noted in an earlier post, is the
                                                > background that I
                                                > had never heard. That Gods and Generals was released
                                                > in a
                                                > shorter form due to an expected showing on TNT. Regardless,
                                                > I found
                                                > the large gaps in the story line to be very
                                                > annoying and feel the
                                                > director was trying to "stuff" too
                                                > much time in too little space. I will
                                                > take the time to
                                                > give the extended directors cut a fighting chance to
                                                > win
                                                > me over. I disagree with Raymond about the acting in
                                                > Gettysburg (I
                                                > agree though, Martin Sheen made a strange
                                                > General Lee) and would take
                                                > the accuracy of that film
                                                > over the also entertaining but historically
                                                > questionable
                                                > Glory. That said, I would still watch Glory because I
                                                > truly
                                                > enjoy all aspects of the always interesting War
                                                > Between the States (Just
                                                > kidding with you Raymond)and I
                                                > think that is the point of most Civil War
                                                > movies. To
                                                > entertain, make money and spark an interest into
                                                > looking
                                                > deeper at this great conflict and unique moment
                                                > in time of our nation.
                                                > > I look forward to learning
                                                > more from this group and hope we all learn
                                                > to be more
                                                > willing to hear different points of view in a more
                                                > tolerant,
                                                > and respectful, environment. We don't have to
                                                > overwhelm and disrespect
                                                > each other to make a point. We
                                                > also will never agree on everything but
                                                > we do share an
                                                > interest. Thank you for hosting this forum Coly and
                                                > I'll
                                                > be checking in more often.
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                                > Raymond
                                                > OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > > they both cost a lot to make and bombed.even bad sci fi
                                                > makes
                                                > money.all the good vibes from Glory were stilled by
                                                > Gettysburg and G &
                                                > G,G-burg is passable but the other
                                                > was terrible.
                                                > > > with the 150th fast approaching
                                                > it's a shame too.a well done movie
                                                > can make money and the
                                                > CW remains a popular topic among Americans.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > --- On Wed, 3/9/11,
                                                > vermouth_man vermouth_man@ wrote:
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > From: vermouth_man vermouth_man@
                                                > > > Subject:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                                > and
                                                > Generals Movie Coming Out
                                                > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
                                                > >
                                                > > Date: Wednesday, March 9, 2011, 9:04 AM
                                                > >
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                                                > > > I
                                                > disagree that Gettysburg and Gods and Generals both killed
                                                > any
                                                > > >
                                                > > > possible future releases of
                                                > Civil War movies. This is the Civil War
                                                > > >
                                                > >
                                                > > which is a very popular topic in this country with
                                                > round tables all
                                                > > >
                                                > > > around the
                                                > country and even some in other countries. It would
                                                > be
                                                > like
                                                > > >
                                                > > > saying a bad science
                                                > fiction movie killing any further hopes
                                                > of
                                                > another
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Star Trek
                                                > movie.
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                                > Victor
                                                > Van
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Tuyl
                                                > <historybuff20012002@> wrote:
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                                                > > > > --- On
                                                > Tue, 3/8/11, Raymond OHara raymondohara@ wrote:
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                                                > > > > From: Raymond OHara
                                                > raymondohara@
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                                                > > > > Subject: Re:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full
                                                > Gods
                                                > and
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                                                > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                                > Out
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                                                > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
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                                                > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 6:09
                                                > PM
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                                                > > > > two movies that have basically killed
                                                > any hopes of any further CW
                                                > > >
                                                > > > movies
                                                > due to their badness.
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                                                > > > > the
                                                > acting is terrible, and they had good actors in Gettysburg
                                                > but
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                                                > > > sadly miscast, Martib Sheen as
                                                > Lee, they didn't act so much as pose
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                                                > > through the picture and the soundtrack was intrusive
                                                > and
                                                > overbearing.
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                                                > > > > yay!
                                                > another 3 hours of robert duvall being a bobblehead,but
                                                > of
                                                > course
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                                                > > > I am going to get
                                                > this!!!
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                                                > > > --- On Tue, 3/8/11, Crystal jammor2005@
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                                                > > > > From: Crystal
                                                > jammor2005@
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                                                > > > > Subject:
                                                > [20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment] Re: Full Gods
                                                > and
                                                > > >
                                                > > > Generals Movie Coming
                                                > Out
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                                                > > > > To: 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com
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                                                > > > > Date: Tuesday, March 8, 2011, 8:29
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                                                > > > > They are also releasing the full
                                                > Gettysburg movie on DVD sometime
                                                > in
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                                                > > > April. I know that they showed the full version of
                                                > Gettysburg on
                                                > TNT a
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                                                > > > > couple
                                                > of years ago but I only watched part of it so I will
                                                > be
                                                > buying
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                                                > > > > the DVD when it
                                                > comes out.
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                                                > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
                                                > "Coly
                                                > H"
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                                                > > > > csh_2088@
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                                                > > It sounds like there may be something to that
                                                > rumour.
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                                                > > > > > --- In 20th_Massachusetts_Infantry_Regiment@yahoogroups.com,
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                                                > > > > > "vermouth_man" vermouth_man@
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                                                > > > > > > I heard that the full 6
                                                > hour edition of Gods and Generals
                                                > would be
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                                                > > > > > > coming out later this year
                                                > and I wanted to know if there was
                                                > any
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                                                > > > > truth
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                                                > > > to the rumour?
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