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L513 (aka DF1/S215) is an SNP subclade of the larger L21+ DF13+ clade. Z249 and CTS5396 are equivalent to L513. L513 people are scattered across the British Isles, Scandinavia, Benelux, France and even Germany. Many of the subgroups have Most Recent Common Ancestors that go back to 800-1200 AD.


Gaels, Medieval Normans, Flemish-Norman allies, Hiberno-Vikings, ancient Gauls or Brythonic Celts? or all of the above? Join the message board and share your ideas. Click on the "Messages" on the left to view the board. Let us know your Most Distant Ancestor information and any surname origin/folklore.


Check out the "Links" menu item on the left. Some family history links are there for this haplogroup. Also check the "Files" menu. A spreadsheet of confirmed and suspected L513 people is there.

The Ysearch modal for L513 people is ZN8M3.


There are over 20 subgroups. Several are associated with SNP's. L193, L706.2, L705.2, L908, L909, L577, L9, L10, L192.1, L1333, L69(.5) and P66 are descended from L513.


The largest families include the Anglin, Banks, Barrett of Mayo, McKenzie, McClain/MacLean, St.Clair/Sinclair, Elliott, Kingston, Kelly of Kildare, Little/Lytle, Burns/Byrnes of Monaghan, Maguire/McGuire of Fermangagh, O'Gara, O'Shea of Cork, Ross/Rose of Kilvarock and Massey/Massie, Walsh/Welch/Welsh and Vance/Vans of Barnbarrch, Vance of N.Ireland.


If you are an FTDNA customer AND qualify, please click here to join the project
This is a public project where surname, origin and results data are shared.


This forum is intended for those in the project and interested in pursuing project goals. Do not use this group for non-L513 topics, to advance a cultural agenda or to denigrate people. Such activities are banned.


Other forums are available for general R1b or Y DNA.

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  • Nov 5, 2009
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