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• Scale speed For an old fart this is what I remember of figuring this out 1 mile equals 5280 feet and 5280 feet X 12 = 63360 inches Z-scale is 1:220 1
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Scale speed
For an old fart this is what I remember of figuring this out
1 mile equals 5280 feet and 5280 feet X 12 = 63360 inches
Z-scale is 1:220
1 hour =60minutes
1 min=60seconds
So we have to figure time and distance scaled down 1:220

1 mph = 288 inches/hr
scale (63360inches/220=288inches) (5280ftx12=63360inches)
or 288/60 min = 4.8 inches / min or 24 inches /5 min (24/4.8 = 5)

10mph = 2880 inches/hr scale
or 2880/60 min. = 48 inches / min 24inches/30 sec

20 mph = 5760 inches/hr scale
or 5760/60 min. = 96 inches / min 48 inches/30 sec 24 inches/15 sec

40 mph = 11520 inches/hr scale
or 11520/60 min. = 192 inches / min 96 inches/30 sec 48 inches/15
sec 24inches/7.5 sec

60 mph = 17280 inches/hr scale
or 17280/60 min. = 288 inches / min 144 inches/30 sec 72 inches/15
sec 24inches/5 sec

80 mph = 23040 inches/hr scale
or 23040/60 min. = 384 inches / min 192 inches/30 sec 96
inches/15 sec 48inches/7.5 sec 24inches/3.75 sec

regards
Garth
• Please help: Below is a question to my website. I want to be able to give this person the correct answers. Message: Mr. Aron: is possible run an locomotive
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Below is a question to my website. I want to be able to give this person the correct answers.
Message: Mr. Aron: is possible run an locomotive from microtrains line in marklin track
using marklin power pack. tks I am interested in some items tks.c galindo

Aaron Poscovsky
• ... Thanks for the info. :) Now my brain hurts! LOL! Gwyl B.
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--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Garth Hamilton <garthah@...> wrote:
>
> Scale speed
> For an old fart this is what I remember of figuring this out
> 1 mile equals 5280 feet and 5280 feet X 12 = 63360 inches
> Z-scale is 1:220
> 1 hour =60minutes
> 1 min=60seconds
> So we have to figure time and distance scaled down 1:220
>
> 1 mph = 288 inches/hr
> scale (63360inches/220=288inches) (5280ftx12=63360inches)
> or 288/60 min = 4.8 inches / min or 24 inches /5 min (24/4.8 = 5)
>
> 10mph = 2880 inches/hr scale
> or 2880/60 min. = 48 inches / min 24inches/30 sec
>
> 20 mph = 5760 inches/hr scale
> or 5760/60 min. = 96 inches / min 48 inches/30 sec 24 inches/15 sec
>
> 40 mph = 11520 inches/hr scale
> or 11520/60 min. = 192 inches / min 96 inches/30 sec 48 inches/15
> sec 24inches/7.5 sec
>
> 60 mph = 17280 inches/hr scale
> or 17280/60 min. = 288 inches / min 144 inches/30 sec 72 inches/15
> sec 24inches/5 sec
>
> 80 mph = 23040 inches/hr scale
> or 23040/60 min. = 384 inches / min 192 inches/30 sec 96
> inches/15 sec 48inches/7.5 sec 24inches/3.75 sec
>
> regards
> Garth
>

Thanks for the info. :)

Now my brain hurts! LOL!

Gwyl
B.
• Aaron, The simple answer is yes We do it all the time. Loren ... From: non Date: 2/23/2007 7:34:14 AM To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Z_Scale]
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Aaron,
The simple answer is "yes" We do it all the time.

Loren

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From: non
Date: 2/23/2007 7:34:14 AM
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Z_Scale] microtrains line on marklin track

Below is a question to my website. I want to be able to give this person the
Message: Mr. Aron: is possible run an locomotive from microtrains line in
marklin track
using marklin power pack. tks I am interested in some items tks.c galindo

Aaron Poscovsky

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• ... person the correct answers. ... line in marklin track ... galindo ... Should be no problem. Exactly what I did until I went DCC. ...don
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--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "non" <aposcovsky@...> wrote:
>
> Below is a question to my website. I want to be able to give this
> Message: Mr. Aron: is possible run an locomotive from microtrains
line in marklin track
> using marklin power pack. tks I am interested in some items tks.c
galindo
>
>
> Aaron Poscovsky

Should be no problem. Exactly what I did until I went DCC.

...don
• A cure for brain pain - a easy way to estimate how fast trains are moving at any scale from 1:1 prototype through Z scale. 10 MPH is 52800 feet in 3600
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A cure for brain pain - a easy way to estimate how fast trains are
moving at any scale from 1:1 prototype through Z scale.

10 MPH is 52800 feet in 3600 seconds, or about 14.6667 feet per
second. Round to 15 feet per second to make the math easier.

A 50 foot car takes 50/15 = 3.3 seconds to pass a fixed point at 10
MPH.

A 40 foot car takes 40/15 - 2.7 seconds to pass a fixed point at 10
MPH.

Same for the locomotive and other cars - if you know the prototype
length, you can figure the time needed to pass a fixed point at 10
MPH.

Count off the seconds while a car passes any arbitrary trackside
marker. "One chimpanZee - 2 chimpanZees - 3 chimpanZees ..." . At
average talking speed, a chimpanzee equals about 1 second to
pronounce. Or better yet, in our Scale you could say "1 Train in
Zee - 2 Trains in Zed ..." .

Roughly 3 seconds per boxcar (average between 40' and 50'car) for
every 10 mph. If 1.5 seconds per car, the train is moving at 20
mph. If 1 second per car, the train is moving at 30 MPH. Half
second per car is 60 MPH. A quarter second per car is way too fast
unless you are modelling high speed rail.

Watching the occasional prototype train go by here in the city
(Dallas TX USA) they run about 2.5 seconds per 50 foot boxcar =
3.3/2.5 x 10 = 13 MPH. A nice, safe city speed and lots of time to
enjoy watching the train go by. Same for models, the longer a train
is in view the more enjoyment one gets from watching it.

So the next time someone comes up to you at a train show and asks why
the trains are not going faster, you can state with confidence "The
train is moving at 40 scale MPH because that is the speed restriction
on the curve ahead...". This helps to eliminate any perceived or
assumed relationship to "cute toys".

Conversion to kilometers I will leave to someone else other than a
kilometer is 0.62 of a mile. My head hurts...

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "grblaser" <grblaser@...> wrote:
>
> --- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Garth Hamilton <garthah@> wrote:
> >
> > Scale speed
> > For an old fart this is what I remember of figuring this out
> > 1 mile equals 5280 feet and 5280 feet X 12 = 63360 inches
> > Z-scale is 1:220

>
> Thanks for the info. :)
>
> Now my brain hurts! LOL!
>
> Gwyl
> B.
>
• Phooey on the countin, I m just gonna get me a radar gun and pull the speeders over! ... From: Glen Chenier Date: 2/23/2007 8:53:45 AM To:
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Phooey on the countin, I'm just gonna get me a radar gun and pull the
speeders over!

-------Original Message-------

From: Glen Chenier
Date: 2/23/2007 8:53:45 AM
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Z_Scale] Re: scale speed

A cure for brain pain - a easy way to estimate how fast trains are
moving at any scale from 1:1 prototype through Z scale.

snip.......

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• We do it all the time. ???? trust Lorne to be doing it all the time.... yes I agree you can run them on each others track. Bob Fage (in...a very wet UK)
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We do it all the time. ???? trust Lorne to be doing it all the time.... yes
I agree you can run them on each others track.

Bob Fage (in...a very wet UK)

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• Hi Aaron I run MTL engines on Marklin Track and Marklin Engine on MTL track all the time.I ve used both railpower and Marklin controls to run both MTL and
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Hi Aaron
I run MTL engines on Marklin Track and Marklin Engine on MTL track
all the time.I've used both railpower and Marklin controls to run
both MTL and Marklin engines. On my main Layout I even have the
Marklin and MTL Flex track mixed in. I Also show how to connect the
MTL micro-track with the marklin track on my website.

Kevin
Hobby Crafts N More

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, "non" <aposcovsky@...> wrote:
>
> Below is a question to my website. I want to be able to give this
> Message: Mr. Aron: is possible run an locomotive from
microtrains line in marklin track
> using marklin power pack. tks I am interested in some items tks.c
galindo
>
>
> Aaron Poscovsky
>
• How about being specific. Don Akron, Ohio - USA ... From: z_scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:z_scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Alan Sent: Friday, February 23,
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Don
Akron, Ohio - USA
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From: z_scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:z_scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 2:27 PM
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] microtrains line on marklin track

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:00:30 EST
robertfage@aol. <mailto:robertfage%40aol.com> com wrote:

> We do it all the time. ???? trust Lorne to be doing it all the
time.... yes
> I agree you can run them on each others track.

Some Marklin does not run well on Microtrains track.

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• On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:00:30 EST ... Some Marklin does not run well on Microtrains track.
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:00:30 EST
robertfage@... wrote:

> We do it all the time. ???? trust Lorne to be doing it all the time.... yes
> I agree you can run them on each others track.

Some Marklin does not run well on Microtrains track.
• On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:02:10 -0500 ... Just browse the archive of this list about Microtrains turnouts, or try older Marklin stock on them, particularly when
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On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:02:10 -0500
"Don Avila" <d.f.avila@...> wrote:

Just browse the archive of this list about Microtrains turnouts, or try
older Marklin stock on them, particularly when reversing. I no longer
posess any MTL turnouts, but I'm looking forward to the newer ones
because the Marklin track you lay and spend a couple of days fettling and
getting smooth and pinned without any twists to cause problems the MTL
stuff you clip together thrown on a flattish surface and it just goes.

Alan
• Well, I don t doubt you can always find an exception it appears the majority of replies is No problem . Asking someone to search through years of data is not
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Well, I don't doubt you can always find an exception it appears the
majority of replies is "No problem". Asking someone to search through
years of data is not really helping the guy.

Don
Akron, Ohio - USA
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From: z_scale@yahoogroups.com [mailto:z_scale@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 4:39 PM
To: z_scale@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Z_Scale] microtrains line on marklin track

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 14:02:10 -0500
"Don Avila" <d.f.avila@att. <mailto:d.f.avila%40att.net> net> wrote:

Just browse the archive of this list about Microtrains turnouts, or try
older Marklin stock on them, particularly when reversing. I no longer
posess any MTL turnouts, but I'm looking forward to the newer ones
because the Marklin track you lay and spend a couple of days fettling
and
getting smooth and pinned without any twists to cause problems the MTL
stuff you clip together thrown on a flattish surface and it just goes.

Alan

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• So the cork is the right height to allow the Marklin and MTL track to be used on the same layout? That answers one of my questions. How do the quality of the
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So the cork is the right height to allow the Marklin and MTL track to be
used on the same layout? That answers one of my questions.

How do the quality of the MTL turnouts compare to the Marklin turnouts? I
know that Marklin has the advantage of a wider variety of turnout styles. I
picked up two of the MTL turnouts and the Portland show last weekend, and
wasn't to impressed with having my engines stall on one when going at a slow
speed. Previously I've only had a loop of Marklin track without any
turnouts.

Zane

> Hi Aaron
> I run MTL engines on Marklin Track and Marklin Engine on MTL track
> all the time.I've used both railpower and Marklin controls to run
> both MTL and Marklin engines. On my main Layout I even have the
> Marklin and MTL Flex track mixed in. I Also show how to connect the
> MTL micro-track with the marklin track on my website.
>
> Kevin
> Hobby Crafts N More
• ... I purchased two MTL turnouts and some of the track last weekend, I also purchased a MTL GP-35 Union Pacific locomotive. If it is going slow enough it will
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> Just browse the archive of this list about Microtrains turnouts, or try
> older Marklin stock on them, particularly when reversing. I no longer
> posess any MTL turnouts, but I'm looking forward to the newer ones
> because the Marklin track you lay and spend a couple of days fettling and
> getting smooth and pinned without any twists to cause problems the MTL
> stuff you clip together thrown on a flattish surface and it just goes.
>
> Alan

I purchased two MTL turnouts and some of the track last weekend, I also
purchased a MTL GP-35 Union Pacific locomotive. If it is going slow enough
it will stall on the turn out. As near as I can tell, it needs to be going
fast enough that it can "jump" the gap and get back on the electrified
reails.

IIRC, it was also possible to get my Marklin engine to stall, but it took
more effort as the Marklin engine I have runs quite fast.

I like the MTL track, and would like to see them release more variety. I'm
just not that enthused about the two turnouts I have, but as I noted in
another message, I've not inspected the Marklin turnouts to see how precise
they are.

Zane
• Hello Zane, ... depending on the thickness of the cork, but otherwise yes. If you get problems with rolling stock at the connection it will help to grind down
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Hello Zane,

> So the cork is the right height to allow the Marklin and MTL track to be
> used on the same layout?

depending on the thickness of the cork, but otherwise yes. If you get
problems with rolling stock at the connection it will help to grind
down the Maerklin rails a bit creating a little "ramp" (maybe about a
quart or a third of the length of a standard straight will be
perfect), because the rail is a little higher than the MTL rails.

> I know that Marklin has the advantage of a wider variety of turnout
> styles.

I hope and I believe that MTL will soon be out with a much wider
variety of track sections in time, so that we can create track plans
with a wider choice of options. Remember that MTL just started to
bring out this track system, whereas Maerklins track sections are
around since more than 30 years.

A very great plus for the MTL track is that it is connected together
much faster and easier as the Maerklin tracks. Last Thursday I had a
oval (circle and 8 sections straight track) with me at a monthly
meeting in a local pub. It's a meeting of modelrailroaders in our
town, and I'm the only Z-scaler there..... yet :-)
When I arrived I could assemble the oval on the table and had trains
running within a few minutes. I also gave two track section of
Maerklin and two of MTL to the (H0) guys, and they could assemble the
MTL much faster then the Maerklin tracks.
The most complicated task for me was to connect those tiny wires to
the power pack (and to find a wall socket for the power pack, which
was the bulkiest item by far anyway ;-) ...next time I will bring a
battery with the Jörger DeLuxe controller...). Then I also will be
able to show some real slow running, and we can test how long the
trains are running on a battery.
We enjoyed the trains throughout the meeting, and even if it is called
a Maerklin meeting I had rolling stock from Maerklin, MTL and FR on
the tracks... ;-)

> I picked up two of the MTL turnouts and the Portland show last
> weekend, and wasn't to impressed with having my engines stall on one
> when going at a slow speed.

This is a problem of the power pick up by the engine. Especially the
smaller ones can have trouble at slow speed, because of the necessary
gaps in the track of a turnout, and this also can happen on Maerklin
turnouts. With longer engines the problem won't happen as often,
because always one truck is not on the critical area of the turnout.

One detail is not perfect: I had problems with the power connection
track because one of my engines (the BR96 88291) came very close to
the clamps holding the wire with parts of the chassis. Here a bit more
space would be a plus. On the other hand on a permanent layout I
always would find a way to connect the wires somewhere hidden, like
under the track.

--
GreetingZ
Uwe
• ... The answer is yes. V/R Larry P. Card Franklinton NC _________________________________________________________________ The average US Credit Score is 675.
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>marklin track
>using marklin power pack. tks I am interested in some items tks.c galindo

V/R
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• Well we haven t seen that. We have numerous Marklin locos (Mikado/Pacific steams and F7 s) that we run over 130 of MTL flex and Peter Wright s turnouts with
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Well we haven't seen that. We have numerous Marklin locos
(Mikado/Pacific steams and F7's) that we run over 130' of MTL flex
and Peter Wright's turnouts with no problems. Most run for 8 hours
at shows. Just wipe the track clean before each day's runs. (don't
use abrasives, just Rail Zip and wipe again after [follow Rail Zip
instructions - do not leave on track] )

SF Bay Area Z

--- In z_scale@yahoogroups.com, Alan <alan@...> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 13:00:30 EST
> robertfage@... wrote:
>
> > We do it all the time. ???? trust Lorne to be doing it all the
time.... yes
> > I agree you can run them on each others track.
>
> Some Marklin does not run well on Microtrains track.
>
• On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:20:19 -0000 ... Wright turnouts not MTL ones - its the MTL turnouts the reports were all about. Alan
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 19:20:19 -0000
"Jeff Merill" <sj-baz-man@...> wrote:

> Well we haven't seen that. We have numerous Marklin locos
> (Mikado/Pacific steams and F7's) that we run over 130' of MTL flex
> and Peter Wright's turnouts with no problems.

Wright turnouts not MTL ones - its the MTL turnouts the reports were all