"......Here is a guy fully authenticated by ex AFOSI agent Rick Doty. Do I
believe he is lying? No. It is much worse than that. He has been
misinformed and disinformed by an elite power who lies to all of us. Who
I would say they are the external channel of the Shadow Side of our
own natures, which lurks largely unknown and unrecognised in our own hearts.
I imagine that is why they are popularly known as the "Shadow Government".
----- Original Message -----
From: William Hamilton
To: Astrosciences ; Skyopen@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 5:59 PM
Subject: [ufodiscussion] Is this the official truth about UFO crashes?
Gene L..... wrote:
When were you read into the official program? I have no idea where you
are getting the information about the past but it is dead wrong. Listen to
Rick Doty. Kecksberg was a Russian Satelite. There was one crash, two sites
in 1947. West of Socorro and South of Corona. That is all. I guess in 58
years, a lot of bullshit was spread and a lot of people ate it. There was
compartmentization but not with the history. The people cleared into the
program read the basic history. That was factual. Show me the official
history of a Kecksberg crash site! Aztec! Any other crash. Show me the
official information, Mr. Collins. You are talking about bullshit spread by
non cleared people. All these people never worked on the program, never was
cleared. You are talking about stories spread on rumors. You speak of
witnesses. Well, since I know the facts, your witnesses are wrong, dead
wrong. You want to believe in things that are not true, then go ahead, I
don't want to rain on your parade. But I know the truth. We had items, but
not all from crash sites. We had "gifts". We did recover items from both
crash locations. That is all, Mr. Collins. Now, I can't spreak for other
countries. Russia had their crash sites, I think two, one in 1957 and one
in 1965. But the actual crashes occurred in the late 40s. It took that
long to find the sites.
You can believe what you want and spread whatever bullshit you want. But
I know the actual truth, you obviously don't. Your network of un-informed
people are spreading false information and have probably done so for many
years. I suppose you believe in George Adamski! Maybe you were one of his
The actual truth is a lot less that all the bullshit that has been spread
over 58 years.
Show me one official document that states their were crashes in 1897. Who
recorded that crash, NASA??? Or did you go back in time!
This is scary, not for what it reveals, but for what it does not reveal.
Gene also believes from his briefings that zero abductions have happened.
IMO, the top dogs are even keeping secrets from the people who work in the
"program". Despite all the recent good work that Scott Ramsey put in on the
Aztec crash, it is easily dismissed. Only 2 crashes ever happened and they
happened in 1947. No Aztec, no Kingman, no Arizona crashes, no
Kecksburg --- all fobbed off as rumors and "dead wrong" witnesses. Here is
a guy fully authenticated by ex AFOSI agent Rick Doty. Do I believe he is
lying? No. It is much worse than that. He has been misinformed and
disinformed by an elite power who lies to all of us. Who are they?
"I don't see the logic of rejecting data just because they seem
incredible." Fred Hoyle