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• Thanks Mikel, I knew that something is not right with my measurement but did not know why, all my reading are not consistent and also due to the rain storm the
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 1, 2003
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Thanks Mikel,
I knew that something is not right with my measurement but did not know why, all
my reading are not consistent and also due to the rain storm the previous night
my board warped, I did not know about these set up you have mentioned, that it
has to be parallel with the axis of rotation so that one will get the right angle
I need to pick your brain, if my broomstick is pointed to the North and my
latitude is about 45 deg. North, do I have to point my broomstick with an
inclination of 45 deg.?, what about if the latitude is 45 deg. South?, and also
does the longitude make any difference?
If some one is living near the tropic 0 deg. latitude will they point their
broomstick by 90 deg?

Tian.

mikelob2003 wrote:

> -
>
> A good sundial has the shadowing edge parallel to the earth's axis of
> rotation. The angle of rotation then is measured as the shadow move
> in a plane perpendicular to the earth's axis. This can be constructed
> by sticking a broomstick out from the roof on ones house at an angle
> with respect to the horizontal equal to the latitude one is at.
> Next, use a compass corrected for local deviation to determine the
> angle in the horizontal plane to point the sick. The stick then is
> mounted pointing true north or parallel to the earth's axis. The
> shadow this makes at various times per day can be marked. The time
> each succeeding day for the shadow to get to this marked spot can
> then be measured. Thus the earth can then be measured as it slows by
> each of us.
>
>
>
>
>
• ... know why, all ... previous night ... mentioned, that it ... the right angle ... It really doesn t have to be parallel to the earth s axis. It s just that
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 3, 2003
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--- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, tian boon <tian.boon@s...> wrote:
> Thanks Mikel,
> I knew that something is not right with my measurement but did not
know why, all
> my reading are not consistent and also due to the rain storm the
previous night
> my board warped, I did not know about these set up you have
mentioned, that it
> has to be parallel with the axis of rotation so that one will get
the right angle

It really doesn't have to be parallel to the earth's axis. It's just
that if it is, one can minimize the daily creeping of the shadow type
errors.

> I need to pick your brain, if my broomstick is pointed to the North
and my
> latitude is about 45 deg. North, do I have to point my broomstick
with an
> inclination of 45 deg.?,

Yes, use an angle of 45 degree measured up from the horizontal when
looking in the north direction.

> what about if the latitude is 45 deg.
South?,

If at latitude south 45 degrees then use an angle of 45 degree
measured up from the horizontal when looking in the south direction.

>and also
> does the longitude make any difference?
> If some one is living near the tropic 0 deg. latitude will they
point their
> broomstick by 90 deg?

Use zero degrees or parallel to the earth's surface pointing
north-south.

Mikel
>
> Tian.
>
> mikelob2003 wrote:
>
> > -
> >
> > A good sundial has the shadowing edge parallel to the earth's axis
of
> > rotation. The angle of rotation then is measured as the shadow
move
> > in a plane perpendicular to the earth's axis. This can be
constructed
> > by sticking a broomstick out from the roof on ones house at an
angle
> > with respect to the horizontal equal to the latitude one is at.
> > Next, use a compass corrected for local deviation to determine the
> > angle in the horizontal plane to point the sick. The stick then
is
> > mounted pointing true north or parallel to the earth's axis. The
> > shadow this makes at various times per day can be marked. The time
> > each succeeding day for the shadow to get to this marked spot can
> > then be measured. Thus the earth can then be measured as it slows
by
> > each of us.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
• Thanks again Mikel, I have another question that is bothering me after I was playing with my compass to set up my rebuild sun dial, correct me if I am wrong,
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 8, 2003
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Thanks again Mikel, I have another question that is bothering me after I was
playing with my compass to set up my rebuild sun dial, correct me if I am wrong,
you did explain to me about the axis of rotation that will not change and will
always pointing to the North star, my assumption is base on the info given by the
ZT that the shift will be 90deg, in another word the globe will roll by approx.
90deg. if right now Mexico is in the South, after the shift Mexico will be in the
West?my question is where will be the magnetic North? will my compass pointing to
the same direction as it is now to the magnetic North?or will it pointing to the
direction what we now know as East?

Tian.

mikelob2003 wrote:

>
>
> It really doesn't have to be parallel to the earth's axis. It's just
> that if it is, one can minimize the daily creeping of the shadow type
> errors.
>
> > I need to pick your brain, if my broomstick is pointed to the North
> and my
> > latitude is about 45 deg. North, do I have to point my broomstick
> with an
> > inclination of 45 deg.?,
>
> Yes, use an angle of 45 degree measured up from the horizontal when
> looking in the north direction.
>
> > what about if the latitude is 45 deg.
> South?,
>
> If at latitude south 45 degrees then use an angle of 45 degree
> measured up from the horizontal when looking in the south direction.
>
> >and also
> > does the longitude make any difference?
> > If some one is living near the tropic 0 deg. latitude will they
> point their
> > broomstick by 90 deg?
>
> Use zero degrees or parallel to the earth's surface pointing
> north-south.
>
> Mikel
> >
> > Tian.
> >
> > mikelob2003 wrote:
> >
> > > -
> > >
> > > A good sundial has the shadowing edge parallel to the earth's axis
> of
> > > rotation. The angle of rotation then is measured as the shadow
> move
> > > in a plane perpendicular to the earth's axis. This can be
> constructed
> > > by sticking a broomstick out from the roof on ones house at an
> angle
> > > with respect to the horizontal equal to the latitude one is at.
> > > Next, use a compass corrected for local deviation to determine the
> > > angle in the horizontal plane to point the sick. The stick then
> is
> > > mounted pointing true north or parallel to the earth's axis. The
> > > shadow this makes at various times per day can be marked. The time
> > > each succeeding day for the shadow to get to this marked spot can
> > > then be measured. Thus the earth can then be measured as it slows
> by
> > > each of us.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
• Tian, According to the Zetas, our axis (degree of tilt) would still be the same (23.45 degrees I think) though the whereabouts of magnetic north would be hard
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 11, 2003
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Tian,

According to the Zetas, our axis (degree of tilt) would still be the
same (23.45 degrees I think) though the whereabouts of magnetic north
would be hard to determine (the Zetas said that magnetic north will
move around quite a bit while the earth settles back down.)

All of the stars will remain in their same places (since we are not
changing our location in the universe) but it will seem as though
you've moved to another place on the globe. The only way for the
north star to become inaccurate is if our axis changed.

As Brazil will be the new north pole, Mexico would be to the south,
and the US would be just to the left (or west of) Mexico.

Michael Listman

--- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, tian boon <tian.boon@s...> wrote:
> Thanks again Mikel, I have another question that is bothering me
after I was
> playing with my compass to set up my rebuild sun dial, correct me
if I am wrong,
> you did explain to me about the axis of rotation that will not
change and will
> always pointing to the North star, my assumption is base on the
info given by the
> ZT that the shift will be 90deg, in another word the globe will
roll by approx.
> 90deg. if right now Mexico is in the South, after the shift Mexico
will be in the
> West?my question is where will be the magnetic North? will my
compass pointing to
> the same direction as it is now to the magnetic North?or will it
pointing to the
> direction what we now know as East?
>
> Tian.
>
• Thanks Micheal, If I may pick your brain for a second, ... because our solar system is in balance with the rest of the Universe, hence this axis of rotation
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 12, 2003
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Thanks Micheal,
If I may pick your brain for a second,

mlistman wrote:

> Tian,
>
> According to the Zetas, our axis (degree of tilt) would still be the
> same (23.45 degrees I think)

because our solar system is in balance with the rest of the Universe, hence this
axis of rotation remain the same and pointed towards the North Star?

> though the whereabouts of magnetic north
> would be hard to determine (the Zetas said that magnetic north will
> move around quite a bit while the earth settles back down.)

Is this because of the magma flows?

>
>
>
>
> As Brazil will be the new north pole, Mexico would be to the south,
> and the US would be just to the left (or west of) Mexico.

I am a little bit confuse in here, if what we know Brazil is in the Southern
hemisphere and will becomes the new North Pole, in another word the roll cause by
the p.s. is 180 deg?

Tian.

>
>
>

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• A compass after the PS would point in the north direction (toward the current north star). Near the new magnetic and rotational north pole one would find this
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 12, 2003
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A compass after the PS would point in the north direction (toward the
current north star). Near the new magnetic and rotational north pole
one would find this to be off the coast of Brazil as described by the
Zetas. However, the direction a compass would point at any one
location on the planet one would need to take into account the
magnetic deviation at that location. This deviation could be quite
an amount of degrees. One only needs to look at existing deviation
maps to see what is possible.

Local magnetized earth's crust along with charged particle magna
flows can cause the needle of a compass to point in almost any
direction. Most of the time it is in the northerly direction. This
deviation is hard to predict what it will be at any particular place
after the PS. Thus, some time ago I came up with several other
methods to determine one's latitude when confronted with continuous
cloud cover.

One method used the measured daylight-night time at the longest or
shortest day and then one looks up on a graph to determine latitude.
The other method used a 10 Ghz satellite TV dish, 12 volt battery and
satilight finder meter (about \$35) to find where the earth's axis
is. This last method is capable of deterring the direction of the
earth's axis to less than a degree providing one does a reasonable
construction job on the mount for the dish. I used a pipe mount.

If one assumes the deviation is zero or close to it and one asks what
amount of change in degrees would one measure at different points on
the planet, what would be the answer? If one is due north of Brazil
now but south of the north pole then the amount of compass change
could be up to 180 degrees. If one now lives on the opposite side of
the earth from Brazil or any place north of this point then one could
expect 0 degrees change in compass direction. Anything between these
two sides of the earth will experience between 0 and 180 degree
shift.

Mikel

--- In tt-forum@yahoogroups.com, tian boon <tian.boon@s...> wrote:
> Thanks again Mikel, I have another question that is bothering me
after I was
> playing with my compass to set up my rebuild sun dial, correct me
if I am wrong,
> you did explain to me about the axis of rotation that will not
change and will
> always pointing to the North star, my assumption is base on the
info given by the
> ZT that the shift will be 90deg, in another word the globe will
roll by approx.
> 90deg. if right now Mexico is in the South, after the shift Mexico
will be in the
> West?my question is where will be the magnetic North? will my
compass pointing to
> the same direction as it is now to the magnetic North?or will it
pointing to the
> direction what we now know as East?
>
> Tian.
>
• Thanks Mikel, It is a very concise information Tian. ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Message 1 of 12 , Jun 13, 2003
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Thanks Mikel,
It is a very concise information

Tian.

mikelob2003 wrote:

> A compass after the PS would point in the north direction (toward the
> current north star). Near the new magnetic and rotational north pole
> one would find this to be off the coast of Brazil as described by the
> Zetas. However, the direction a compass would point at any one
> location on the planet one would need to take into account the
> magnetic deviation at that location. This deviation could be quite
> an amount of degrees. One only needs to look at existing deviation
> maps to see what is possible.
>
> Local magnetized earth's crust along with charged particle magna
> flows can cause the needle of a compass to point in almost any
> direction. Most of the time it is in the northerly direction. This
> deviation is hard to predict what it will be at any particular place
> after the PS. Thus, some time ago I came up with several other
> methods to determine one's latitude when confronted with continuous
> cloud cover.
>
> One method used the measured daylight-night time at the longest or
> shortest day and then one looks up on a graph to determine latitude.
> The other method used a 10 Ghz satellite TV dish, 12 volt battery and
> satilight finder meter (about \$35) to find where the earth's axis
> is. This last method is capable of deterring the direction of the
> earth's axis to less than a degree providing one does a reasonable
> construction job on the mount for the dish. I used a pipe mount.
>
> If one assumes the deviation is zero or close to it and one asks what
> amount of change in degrees would one measure at different points on
> the planet, what would be the answer? If one is due north of Brazil
> now but south of the north pole then the amount of compass change
> could be up to 180 degrees. If one now lives on the opposite side of
> the earth from Brazil or any place north of this point then one could
> expect 0 degrees change in compass direction. Anything between these
> two sides of the earth will experience between 0 and 180 degree
> shift.
>
> Mikel
>
>

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