... As much as we can call thank and credit Russell T. Davies with the successful reboot of Doctor Who [I do remember thinking before the new series premieredMessage 1 of 46 , Sep 15View SourceOn 9/15/2013 8:23 AM, girlfriendteri@... wrote:
I have to agree complete with pyre. The biggest problem for me was it became the Eve show. I felt Mr David didn't care what the fans wanted. It was his show and he did what he wanted. Teri
If there was a way to edit Gwen out of the show - ALL of the eps - I would do it in a heartbeat. I think it was a tragedy that they killed off Owen, Tosh and then Ianto ONLY to have Gwen survive. Hell, the only reason Jack survived the original three series was because the character was immortal at the get-go. I was horribly worried that with Jack mortal in 'Miracle Day' that RTD had finally found a way to get rid of that pesky Jack Harkness [John Barrowman] in favor of RTD's Marty-Stu/Mary-Sue Gwen Cooper. Thankfully that didn't happen. But I can't say that saving Rex over Esther was any better. *gag* Another 'hated' character saved and beloved killed-off. Although I have to say Mekhi Phifer is head and shoulders above Eve Myles when it comes to acting ability. At least I believe he's Rex and that he's researched the character to make it real. I've had that sense with Eve when it comes to Gwen. Her portrayal of Gwen has soooooo many logic flaws and inconsistencies combined with her 'cow-eyes of surprise', 'cow-eyes of fear', 'cow-eyes of awe', 'cow-eyes of love', etc. acting technique it is the topper to a character I cannot tolerate.
True in the end 'Torchwood' is RTD's baby and he'll do as he pleases no matter what the fans, critics and other production/writing staff might want or fight for.
"I'm so glad father's day is over. It's so awkward." - Luke Skywalker
I am so enjoying this discussion. I can t stand Gwen, never could for all the reasons listed - mean, selfish, but touted as perfect. I think I could haveMessage 46 of 46 , Sep 17View SourceI am so enjoying this discussion. I can't stand Gwen, never could for all the reasons listed - mean, selfish, but touted as perfect. I think I could have handled the mean and selfish if she'd not been considered wonderful, if she;d had some redeeming characteristic.
I haven;t seen Even in much, so no comments from me on that.
I too wonder what made RTD fall for her and mess up the show so badly. I still miss Ianto, but after all these years I'm finally reading Janto again.
Did not watch MD again; once was enough. I am watching the eps from the 1st two seasons that I have saved.
---- "pfyre@..." <pfyre@...> wrote:
> The truth behind the origins of 'Torchwood' or 'Excalibur' as it was originally titled when first pedaled to TPTB at the BBC by RTD has been discussed, dissected, debated and bandied about since pretty much since Torchwood premiered on BBC3.big snip