I don't think there's a T-Power mix on my copy of "Anger/Grief", though
it is certainly excellent.
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>Subject: [thewire] Re: not liking sample based music
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>> I think it's down to the imagination involved in the process of
>> The use of a generic drum loop is lazy and somewhat easy. This
>> the music to me. However, someone like FSOL add something to the mix
>> their own which moves beyond the sample. In fact, they seem to have
>i haven't heard the lenny kravitz song that was mentioned, but really,
>existence of samplers in the world necessitate a
>redefinition of "musicianship." where dance and experimental artists
>forgiven their repetition and "lazy" choices due
>to the funcional aspects of the music, artists that use samples in the
>of manual instrumentation are usually
>deprecated. there is a technical double-standard that is imposed
>the final output.
>> agree that early hip hops use of found sound and beats was brilliant
>> is this lack of invention which I feel so plagues the music now. Now
>> samples are just used as a music library within the hip hop sound.
>notes and instruments have always been a palette for the music-maker,
>sampler merely expands the range of selection. the
>flipside is that this expansion also increases the supply of bad
>assume the "lack of invention" is referring
>somehow to a reliance and non-progression past the landmark techniques
>early hiphoppers, and not their brilliance (as
>the grammar suggests), but people (even lenny kravitz) take the easy
>especially with components that aren't crucial
>to the goal of the track in question.
>> goodness for innovation in turntablism from DJ Faust, Mixmaster Mike
>> Chemists who bring the sound apocalypse back to the music. I was so
>a bit apples and oranges, scratch mixers are folding instrumentalism
back into a
>sample-based music. the sense of a
>"hands-off" approach in electronic music adds to its sterility in a lot
>cases, so scratch dj's are providing a bridge to
>manual technique as well as something fun to watch. of course this is
>addition to inventing a completely new sound
>aesthetic. this does nothing to strengthen or weaken the role of using
>samples," which these posts seem to be about. i
>am leery of criticising music on the amount of effort it _seems_ it
>make. some of the greatest artists went about
>their work effortlessly, and some make it look simple and everyday
while it took
>them a week and a half to decide between this
>loop or that loop regardless of how many times it had been used before.
>with lenny kravitz, wouldn't it be quite out
>of character for him to use anything but a well-worn and familiar
>given the option?
>> Incidentally I saw Dynamix II on CD the other day, their "Just Give
The DJ A
>> Break" was the sound source for almost ever hip hop and house record
>> late 80s. I also miss the crazed sample music of early Todd Terry
>an ironic nitpick: "give the dj a break" is actually a collage of
>sound sources were the original records
>which tended to be electro records (especially with dynamix II) that
>out-of-favor in the late 80's and beyond.
>> remember "Give It To Me" (double trouble mix), "Welcome To The Planet
>> Bass" by Maggatron, House Express or Time To Express. I also
>> first 12s from Meat Beat Manifesto which were furious explosions of
>> and samples, never to be bettered. I have recently become aware of
>> were amazed at how like FSOL they sound.
>yeah, it's never as good as it was, back in the old country. check that
>mix on sakamoto's anger/grief single for new
>sample beathead stuff...
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