>"Paul 'Knight of Salad Forks' Hume" <paulhume@...>:
>> The issue of a given group's "inner contacts" and how to judge them is
>> always a vexed one.
>I think this notion of 'inner contacts' as a justification
>for assault is just another excuse for doing what y'all wilt.
Then I expressed myself badly (which I did, or at least briefly). Since my
point was that inner contacts (assuming for the sake of argument there is
SOMETHING to the term, rather than simply the sum of emotional commitment to
the mythos of the group by its members) have nothing to do with the results
of legal or other squabbling in the material world.
It is vexed because without committment to the egregore of a given
organization, the intensity (if that is the word I want) and validity (if
validation is possible) of that egregore cannot be experienced, and not
having been experienced, cannot be judged.
Claiming that an Order is not functioning on the "inner" because it has had
setbacks on the "outer" is mixing the planes. Claiming prerogatives on the
"outer" because of the intensity of an Order's "inner" vitality is equally
mixing the planes.
Now there is a general tendency - and it may have started with the GD
schism - to view the functionality of an egregore by the organizational
health of those who work it. It may even make sense...sometimes it seems to
me that it does, other times not. Like the interior dialogue when I wrote
one individual purporting to be AA and got back a note that seemed to have
been signed in crayon...while I did not pursue the connection further, my
internal critic did get in a shot or two asking if someone deficient in
various social skills might not yet be both illuminated as an individual and
illuminating as a teacher (to which the answer is "Well DUH, Paul, of
Be THAT as it may, my answer was not intended to provide any magical or
mystical justification for conflicts or their resolution among (or within)
magical organizations...those are to be judged on their merits on the plane
in which they originate. If I run into something I can't support, and get
told it pertaineth not to my grade (in a magical sense, not because I am not
in an administrative job of high degree (g)), my first reaction (like most
people's first reaction) is a loud honk on the bullshit meter. Some things
DON'T pertain to someone's degree, natch...if a Io asks me for the Word of
the IIIo, I won't give it to him. He'll have to go look it up on the Web
Legal issues about copyrights, service marks, etc. are entities of mundane
courts, and their settlement there has nothing to say about the magical
validity of any parties in the complaint (except presumably whose magick
kicks butt in the event that workings were done to promote victory by the