Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
> I've known people diagnosed with MPD, and their
> disconnection between their various 'personae' was
> a severe disability. I do not seek to be associated with
> such a malady, and dislike being characterized as doing
> anything other than using pseudonyms or nomes de
> plume. so i tend to explain it when people start to talk
> with me as if these are different people, which they
> aren't. they're all me talking about differing things.
I understood who was talking. I do the same thing myself
sometimes, never once imagined MPD; that you think you're
Satan, although this is an extremely fascinating subject. Much
of Gurdjieff's teachings focused on the "Multiplication of the I's";
that what we think of as "our own" individual personality or "self",
is actually made up of many different "ego based I's", so we are,
in fact, different people at different times occupying the same
Crossed my mind you thought yourself Satan's Advocate. As
I recall, you said this, & sparked my interest in learning who
He is... it's been a GREAT education, changed many of my views,
given me a more complete understanding of religion in general.
I highly Advocate getting to know Satan intimately.
I quoted the Apostle's Creed; *Jesus was crucified dead and buried
and descended into Hell, not because I believe in bible scriptures or
that Jesus lived and died, but because I've come to believe, before
anyone can see God, they must first see Satan, enter the Gates of
Hell, and spend a while in purge-atory.... (I love the picture in your
In this RESPECT, I found much revealed about God and Satan in
bible scriptures that religion's keep hidden; shown in your Gospel;
the "Lord God said, Behold, the man has become like one of us,
knowing good and evil"... simply blew me away! - first time I read
it!... made me wish I'd read the bible a long time ago!... made me
closely examine bible verses, try to find out who "us" and this lord
>> Lilith, "the gallbladder of all hearts", the "screecher", Satan's
>> #1 squeeze, Sister, or Twin, Concubine, Consort Alter-ego, or
>> pseudonym, was as likely the Mother of Seth, Adam's third Son.
> fun stories. how did you arrive at this? is it within a particular set
> of texts?
Genesis 4.1: Now Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived and bore
Cain, then saying, I have gotten a man with the help of the Lord. And
again she bore his brother Abel.
4.25: And Adam knew his wife again and she bore a son and called his
name Seth, for she said, God has appointed for me another child instead
of Abel, for Cain slew him. To Seth also a son was born, and he called
his name Enosh. At that time men began to call upon the name of the
6.4: The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore
children to them.
The concept that Adam had a wife named Lilith prior to Eve, developed
from the Book of Genesis dual creation accounts; 2.22: describes god's
creation of Eve from Adam's rib. 1.27 indicates that a woman had been
made out of clay at the same time god made Adam: "So God created man
in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female
created he them".
Ancient writings tell that after the "ban", "Adam begot ghosts and male
and female demons" - "men started dubbing 'Lord' things that were mere
creatures". Calling upon the name of the Lord 'profanated'; meaning,
with contempt for God or sacred Principles". "She wanders about at night,
vexing the sons of men and causing them to defile themselves", is said
to indicate such an adverse union between Adam and Lilith.
5.1: When God created man, he made him in the likeness of God.
5.3: When Adam had lived a hundred and thirty years, he became the
father of a son in his own likeness, after his image, and named him Seth.
... from which it follows that Cain and Abel weren't in Adam's own
5.4: The days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight
hundred years; and he had other sons and daughters.
... who were the mothers and sons of god, if not these creatures?
> my parents chose to have doctors cut off my foreskin, but that
> wasn't part of any god-relationship to my knowledge, it was a
> result of deceptive advertizement of the importance to health and
> cleanliness of circumcision taken up irresponsibly by the American
> Medical Association.
Eeek! I know, I had it done to my sons! Actually, the AMA's not the
culprit, it was originally a mark of identification, the sign of a slave
thousands of years ago... seemed to follow.
> I don't distinguish when considering the soul to be in any sense
> real. what is "essential" to a person IS that person to my mind. to
> talk about them as if what is essential and what is the person were
> in some sense different or at odds sounds psychotic to me, perverse,
> and twisted, though i realize that often it stems from a differing
> (unintegrated, manifestation-oriented or some other) cosmology
> from one i know.
>> Liber AL calls, "the soul of God and beast".
> I don't understand what you (or AL) mean by this.
III. 34: "another soul of God and beast shall mingle in the globed
I believe this describes Speaking with HGA.
>>> those who treat these stories as history are misguided, and
>>> those who do not do so have a hard time rectifying it with
>>> coherent history. there was no Jesus Christ, nor was there
>>> ever a Hell or Heaven. these are fantasies propped up by
>>> religious to encourage conversion.
Much of the bobble, er, bible's history has been verified in other
writings, and recently orensic anthropologists. Not saying Jesus
Christ, Hell and Heaven aren't fantasies propped up to encourage
conversion, but if you read the bible as a historical account, a
struggle for power in the name of god(s); a history of rulers of
men... priests and kings and death to the defiant. It's been
an eye-opener for me.
>> and very likely the Father of Jesus and Able.
> LOL sure. again, this regards the whole as somehow historical,
> talking about Satan as a father. it's almost as preposterous as
> talking about their God's having a human child. the Jews and
> Muslims both understand that this is nowhere supported in
> their scriptures. you're fashioning some new-fangled (Gnostic?
> Mormon?) alternative to these conventions and attributing it
> to them without warrant, i think.
Well you may be right, but referring to the Fables, "before Mary
came together with Joseph she was found to be with child of the
Holy Spirit", sounds like the same sort of god who appointed
another child to Adam's wife.
> through this method the whole may be inverted and the
> antagonist of one version may become the hero of the next.
This is my contention. Can it be argued that Christianity's one of
the most evil, murderous, demonic forces in the World?
>> Liber AL, Thelema, the Book, the Law, is my Religion.
> that's your particular and peculiar language and i can dig it.
> I gather it is your spirituality and that there are no others that
> are part of your cult. it is for you a solitary activity and not part
> of a larger, actually religious, enterprise. like me, you can connect
> with those who may have similarities of language and vision as you,
> but these are primarily written and tangental, your own pursuit a
> solitary engagement of Liber Al/AL.
> out of curiosity, have you ever met anyone eles with precisely your
> is it a unique, solitary Path?
> how big is your Religion?
Congregation of one.
> should it get special respect?
Do what thou wilt.
> military societies and other social contexts make lists of 'officially-
> recognized' "religions". is yours one of 'em?
> I wouldn't go on to presume that there is some spirit in the TEXT,
> just that there may be a connection to whatever may have inspired
> Crowley to pen the document (like a reproduced holograph; does AL
> move and change? if so, the text might have differeng meanings at
> different times, i suppose).
For me, miraculous colour comes back to it day after day. Meanings
change or expand as I "live" the Book, or rather, as I live my life I find
meanings in Liber AL, often new, that move and change me, encourage
and guide me, at different times, in different ways. It may be the same
source that inspired Crowley to pen it - could be the same source that
inspired Alice Through the Looking Glass and the Gospel of Satan.
> there have been many books written as a result of interactions with
> Kali (often in devotional modes; Ramprasad, even Arthur Avalon).
Do these writings inspire you?
> *I* wrote a very brief batch of text myself detailing some of the
> conversations we've had. that isn't unusual. gods interact with
> humans and humans write things down in response to that
> interaction, but Kali didn't write it, but i can report on Her.
> in some ways my own text reflecting our was more like Liber
> Al vel Legis, but i didn't attempt to provide for "The Book of Blood"
> any cosmic import. it was an intimate selected conversation within
> the continual relationship which i enjoy with Her.
> perhaps if someone took up "The Book of Blood" as a text which
> they revered, in the same way that you revere Liber Al, then they
> would be alike to you with respect to Crowley (since he it was that
> penned the text in question).
I've read other books that speak to me in much the same way as Liber
AL. I'd really enjoy reading "The Book of Blood". I experienced some
of this same attraction with The Gospel of Satan, I would call, or think
of as "an essence of Truth", although TGOS is not what I call a warm
fuzzy... bonding with it's a little tough.
> do you think that Aiwass/AL ever spoke through any OTHER writer?
Not that I've seen, although this is why I asked about Liber A'Ash; it has
something of the same tone or poetic expression, although personalities
of the authors seem different, possibly because it isn't written in "the first
person singular" and not conversational. Liber A'Ash is in my opinion
> ever speak to you through any other vehicle?
You mean like my refrigerator?... No, except through the EQ, which is
Aiwass, same author.
> my relationship with Satan gives me incentive to more fully explore a
> relationship with Christ as part of a study of hoodoo.
My relationship with Satan gives me incentive to more fully explore
my relationship with God.
>> Might seem strange to you, but I made a Pact with the Devil
>> sometime ago.
> I'd like to hear about that. nothing seems strange to me about the
> magical lives of thelemites unless they're tedious and boring.
I'd like to tell you, but I think you'd find it ridiculous, if not tedious and
>> According to the Law, Ra-hoor's the least Thelemic God of the bunch.
> that's interesting. I didn't know that. how can you see the Law stating
> this, and when?
By His own admission Ra-Hoor-Khuit's a god of War and of Vengeance,
although I interpret His meaning a Holy War; a battle that takes place
inside an individual, on a personal level. I doubt many see it this way.
> maybe you're using the term 'Thelemic' in a precise sense here to
> indicate cultic after the prophet Crowley? I'm trying to follow. :)
I'm using the Law of Love in a precise sense; my take on the term
>> He's a Bird! What else should we expect?
> nice point. we might wonder how much of the expression of the other
> gods in this scripture is indicative of their form(s).
Well, Nuit is the Sky or Heaven. Little wonder She doesn't say much... :)
> next you'll be tellin' me worshipping Satan is safe.
I don't think worshipping Satan is safe, but I give HIM A HELL OF A LOT
OF RESPECT! As I said, I think knowing Satan is imperative.
Love is the Law, Love under Will.
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