Hello all. I don t come through here very often, but lately I ve had the feeling of butting my head into a brick wall (figuratively speaking)... and I knowMessage 1 of 3 , Jan 29, 2008View SourceHello all. I don't come through here very often, but lately I've had
the feeling of butting my head into a brick wall (figuratively
speaking)... and I know that there are some hyperintelligent and
experienced occultists here who I can bounce ideas off, hopefully
without being judged too harshly.
I realize that we all filter our perceptions of experience through
our own individual reality screens, so the things that I want to put
forth here will undoubtedly be colored by my perspective. Hopefully
some of you will easily see past the shallow words and choppy grammar
that I use and see what I want to say... and then respond if you do.
Peak experiences over the years have set the idea into my mind that
our limitations of perception, our egos, arose for the purpose of
getting life to evolve as far as it has into human form, and into the
epigenetic evolutionary realm of language and technology. These
limits gave us a sense of identity seperate from the rest of the
universe. These perceptual limits include all of the ordinary
physical limitations spanning from the anchoring of the sun's orbit
by the galactic core, to the gravity of the Earth and Moon, to our
genetic makeup, to our sensory limitations (such as only seeing the
visible light spectrum), etc... These limits also include more
mental limits such as limitations of the intellect, the Ruach, and
it's unfortunate state of being able to approach infinity but never
being able to reach or comprehend it.
Peak experiences have shown me that strangely, despite all of these
limits set by the dimensions of space-time, the capacity to bypass
these asymptotic boundaries exists as an inherent ability of our
nervous systems. Many of the reports of such things as Ultimate
Reality, or Godhead, over the years refer directly to this
indescribable (since unconstrained by prior limits)experience.
Now, I have not made much of an attempt to work with these
territories of mind for a few years as I have been terribly
distracted by other things. Lately I have pulled out the old
Watchtowers and elemental weapons, and a lot of stuff seems to be
coming back that I had put out of my mind. For example, I seem to
have become convinced that multidimenional entities exist who can
inhabit the space-time continuum incarnated in human form.
Furthermore, an idea keeps reasserting itself that says all of
evolution led up to humans, and the development of individuated egos,
specifically so that a Pan like entity can inhabit the space-time
dimension with full awareness.
My wording sounds a bit wingnutty, I think, but I'm not quite sure
how to make it not sound otherwise, so I'll go on...
The ego has limitations set on it, of course, but anyone here who has
had a full blown breakthrough experience of ego dissolution knows
that these seemingly uncrossable limits can at times fall away as if
all of this was just a well orchestrated smoke and mirrors trick. In
the experience of ego dissolution, pure unbound awareness takes back
every last drop of thought, every tiny glimmering shard of seperate
self, back into itself in a raptuous embrace of ruthless and
If you have gone through experiences of ego dissolution, and you
practice magick, I feel rather certain that you too have experienced
frequent synchronicity. Some of you out there certainly have, or
certainly do. Everything is in tune, and everything interconnected.
I get the feeling from the stangeness of synchronicity that we have
more dimensions at play in our magickal workings than just good ol'
space-time (at least in the sense it's commonly thought of). The
boundary dissolution of breakthrough peak experiences certainly seems
to point to a "dimension" that exists intimately interwoven with our
everyday lives, yet spanning beyond the asymptotic boundaries of our
intellectual comprehension or our sensory perception... things happen
which appear obviously connected but not in an ordinary linear cause-
effect sense... very strange, very specific, "coincidences".
So the way that I see it is that these dimensions overlap and that
the Pure Awareness of Godhead developed itself, or sprang out of a
singularity in the Big Bang (or whatever), into space-time and by
doing so put itself into a very deep evolutionary trance so that it
could blossom as all of life and return back into it's singular state
at the pinnacle of evolution... this singular state crossing all
dimensions, of course (the image of going through a torroidal donut
comes to my mind here). This way it has not only shaped the
conditions and forms of the physical universe, but it has also
mastered it by returning to it's original state while simultaneously
inhabiting the physical universe as individual beings, human or
otherwise, and the universe itself.
The technological trends nowadays make me think that we have
something really big right around the corner, that perhaps something
on the scale of a full blown rapturous ego dissolution could take
place but through technology... as if all of these ordinary "take-it-
for-granted" limits that we perceive with our egos, our intellects
and our organic sense, are just about to all get bypassed.
I'm not really big on keeping up on all of the latest breakthroughs
in technology, but I notice enough to see how fast it's changing.
I've read Ray Kurzweil's book, "The Singularity is Near", and seen
his fancy graphs, and his take on things does seem convincing. Could
it be possible that biology and advancing technology are about to
start, or have already begun, merging at a very rapid pace? Could it
be possible that something could exist by the end of this century
that surpasses the computing capacity of all human nervous systems
combined? Could the universe really be waking up into self-awareness
on a unprecedented scale in our local section of space (solar
system)? These ideas may seem far out, but they do fall into the
realm of possibility. Where is evolution heading, if not toward
something akin to this?
Terrence Mckenna once said something along the lines that he couldn't
imagine a humanity 500 years from now. Either we will no longer
exist, or we will exist in a state completely unrecognizable to our
present selves. I feel much the same way as this. If we don't
destroy ourselves, we'll at least have transformed ourselves.
We have plenty of practicing magicians out there who know what terms
like Godhead and ego dissolution mean from direct experience. The
words are faulty here, but I hope the concepts are coming across
I have found that ceremonial magick works very well for me for
working with these territories that I can't describe. I want to
learn more, however, and I feel like I'm beating my head against a
brick wall. It's these asymptotic limits of perception that I have a
problem with. We live in the times. Everyone around us seems to be
in a trance shaped specifically by the times, the culture, the
circumstances. How can we dissolve these limits on a massive scale
and wake the world from this trance of time? Does advancing
technology have a very large part if it is indeed possible?
Am I just another incoherent casualty flailing in the abyss?
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Yes, you are flailing about some. But that s ok. You ll come down, eventually. No, I don t think we are setting ourselves up for some Pan-like entity. IMessage 1 of 3 , Feb 6, 2008View SourceYes, you are flailing about some. But that's ok. You'll come down,
No, I don't think we are setting ourselves up for some "Pan-like"
entity. I think you are misunderstanding what Pan was, or is, and
getting things very confused on that score. Ron Hutton (British) has
done a good bit of study on Pan, and you are going all Victorian on
us, and basically putting a lot more on Pan than you should.
You are right in that we are developing a fundamentally new way of
being. The way we interact with others in our communities of interest,
using email and the internet, is creating something new. It used to be
that ideas grew up and died because of the lack of communication. But
I don't think that is AS possible anymore because of our vastly
changed communication techniques. It's kind of mind-boggling, so I am
not surprised your mind is boggled. It's like that we, as cells, have
figured out how to develop a nervous system and work in concer. It
changes EVERYTHING. OMG, we have become the BORG.
Magick is transpersonal. Magick exists OUTSIDE of space-time. I
recall some magick that took place when I was in my 20s, but I FELT it
when I was 12. It blew my mind, when I got to the event and got an
idea of what had happened. I am a lot older now, and I've somewhat,
kinda come to terms with this wormhole weirdness.
If you are looking for an acknowledgment that "wow, stuff is weird",
which is what I think your post is saying--well, yes, you are VERY right.
>Furthermore, an idea keeps reasserting itself that says all ofegos,specifically so that a Pan like entity can inhabit the space-time
> evolution led up to humans, and the development of individuated
> dimension with full awareness.
> Could it be possible that biology and advancing technology are about to
> start, or have already begun, merging at a very rapid pace? Could it
> be possible that something could exist by the end of this century
> that surpasses the computing capacity of all human nervous systems
> combined? Could the universe really be waking up into self-awareness
> on a unprecedented scale in our local section of space (solar
> system)? These ideas may seem far out, but they do fall into the
> realm of possibility. Where is evolution heading, if not toward
> something akin to this?
> Am I just another incoherent casualty flailing in the abyss?
> [MODERATOR NOTES that this intersects common topics pertinent to
> our forum focus (Thelema) as it hits on Qabalah and ceremonial
> magick, and so was approved. However, this is a tangental thread
> to our main focus and will not be endlessly approved as such.]
... has ... I should probably look into his work. I admit that I do not have much knowledge on the subject of Pan, other than references to him as the FatherMessage 1 of 3 , Feb 8, 2008View Source--- In email@example.com, "aangelis7" <aangelis7@...> wrote:
> Yes, you are flailing about some. But that's ok. You'll come down,
> No, I don't think we are setting ourselves up for some "Pan-like"
> entity. I think you are misunderstanding what Pan was, or is, and
> getting things very confused on that score. Ron Hutton (British)
> done a good bit of study on Pan, and you are going all Victorian onI should probably look into his work. I admit that I do not have
> us, and basically putting a lot more on Pan than you should.
much knowledge on the subject of Pan, other than references to him as
the "Father of Life" and a little rhyme that goes, "Pan, Pan, the
Greek god Pan; one half goat, and the other half man".
I used Pan in an attempt at trying to describe a difficult concept.
This concept is the Pure Awareness that exists outside of space-time
in an unfiltered, untranced, state. I see it as filtering through
our perceptions and allowing itself to maintain physical limits of
individual perception for the purpose of being able to exist, and
evolve, as this dimension of space-time.
There is Awareness itself... God-dess, that is... and space-time
as varying levels of trance. Ideally, with all of the perceptual
filters which seperate us from the divine removed, our individual
awareness returns to this Source of Existence to experience it
directly as "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh".
I feel that we communicate with this trans-dimensional,
transpersonal, awareness when we perform in-depth workings of magick
and reality itself appears to bend to our will through synchronicity
and all-out weirdness. It can also occur with the successful
application of meditation, entheogenic sacraments, and/or
meditation. This communication always takes place, but when we
initiate a conscious and willful effort to make the knowledge and
conversation, the response from the universe can be a lot more
striking and specific.
This is why I used Pan. I had it in my mind that he personified
this "Father of Life" who exists everywhere but also lives through
his creation as all things and beings.
Perhaps I may have been better off just using good ol' Nuit, Hadit,
and Ra-Hoor-Khuit. I have never really been a big fan of trinities,
though. Perhaps this has something to do with having a Protestant
upbringing, and an affection for Islam.
> You are right in that we are developing a fundamentally new way of
> being. The way we interact with others in our communities of
> using email and the internet, is creating something new. It used tobe
> that ideas grew up and died because of the lack of communication.But
> I don't think that is AS possible anymore because of our vastlyam
> changed communication techniques. It's kind of mind-boggling, so I
> not surprised your mind is boggled. It's like that we, as cells,have
> figured out how to develop a nervous system and work in concer. ItAll of this seems like a natural unfoldment of mind, and of working
> changes EVERYTHING. OMG, we have become the BORG.
out ideas, to me... as well as the continuation of evolution through
epi-genetic processes. This allows evolution to take place at an
increasingly rapid pace compared to the slow biological drifting over
the course of billions of years. It also allows evolution to be more
This is where I see the universe becoming increasingly aware of
itself within the continuum of space-time. The Pure Awareness has,
does, will always exist undefiled, unfiltered, and untranced as the
Godhead, but within the context of space-time it needs to wake up
from it's creation through the process of biological evolution.
This is something akin to take on the IHVH story where the Pure
Awareness has forgotten itself in the depths of matter, and through
the billions of years long evolutionary journey has approached a
stage where it can begin waking itself up again to it's original
state... but within the context of the dimension of space-time and
not outside of it.
Humanity gets to play the part of the V, the Prince, here. Through
our complex nervous systems, language skills, and opposable thumbs,
we have been able to push this phenomena of waking up from the
evolutionary trance into something close to us in time... something
within the realm of possibility, and even likely. We are the
catalyst for whatever the next big stage may be.
I think that the abilities that we have gained over the last few
years, such as to link individual minds through the internet and to
communicate across vast gulfs of space (within the context of
distances on Earth)at absurd speeds does seem to fit into all of
this, though. A collective mind that once just seemed like the stuff
of psychological wishful thinking now appears to be proving itself as
an actual, and integral, reality... even if people did make it
happen... though personally I think the interconnectivity spreads far
beyond the confines of the internet.
> Magick is transpersonal. Magick exists OUTSIDE of space-time. I
> recall some magick that took place when I was in my 20s, but I FELT
> when I was 12. It blew my mind, when I got to the event and got anright.
> idea of what had happened. I am a lot older now, and I've somewhat,
> kinda come to terms with this wormhole weirdness.
> If you are looking for an acknowledgment that "wow, stuff is weird",
> which is what I think your post is saying--well, yes, you are VERY
Yes, all of this stuff does seem weird. That's probably why I find
it so interesting.
Maybe I was just looking for acknowlegement. I've been exploring the
intelligences of Geburah in the world of Assiah for the last couple
of years in an exercise of experiential pathworking. I like it here,
but the restrictiveness of the discipline gets to me sometimes. I
constantly have to hold my tounge, and sometimes I feel the need to
let it wag. On the other hand, I get to learn things like languages,
martial arts, and how to be in better physical condition than most
people of the world.
There's always a trade-off for the good things in life.
Thanks for the feedback.