On 07/09/2007, Bill Heidrick <heidrick@...
> At 05:04 PM 9/7/07 +0100, "Jake Stratton-Kent"
> <jakestrattonkent@...> wrote:
> >At the time it put me in mind of Al Geber, from whom the terms Algebra
> >and Gibberish both derive. His name is interesting for other reasons
> >which needn't distract us here.
>> his use of a system of Arabic gematria *with
> >ordinal values* for the letters. Interesting precedent, and a nice
> >sidelight on the way some folks used to decimal conventions respond,
> >to more recent systems with ordinal numerations.
> That would be what I've called "hotel room code" with A = 1, through Z = 26
> for English and other terminal numbers for other alphabets.
yep, disparaging terms aren't infrequent from some sources.
> >For example the idea that ordinal values restrict the variety of
> >symbols etc. Given Al Geber's status in the history of mathematics,
> >its plain that this needn't be an issue, whether it is depending
> >entirely on the intended operating parameters.
> True, and even with that limitiation one can use lower case or other
> language alphabets. Physics commonly uses Greek after the Latin letters
> run out, as well as old-style German in printed texts.
well, there is that, but apparently Geber wasn't using them for lists,
he was enumerating emblematic terms and then using the numbers to
refer to them. Like a Latin alchemist might use 'Cabala Simplex' to
enumerate 'Green Lion' (its Latin equivalent) and then use the
enumeration as shorthand. Incidentally lots of 66s turn up when you
start checking Latin alchemical terms with that code, particularly
around gold, lions etc. oddly enough. Not that I'm a linguist, but
then if the experts are too lofty to do anything but mock, the
amateurs have to step in. ;-)
When I was getting
> my MS, I started using Hebrew letters for variables as well as ordinals.
> Beyond that there's indexing, either above or below the line -- common in
> chemistry, series expressions, difference equations, integral calculus,
> matrices and Diraks. Crowley often used indexing in that manner, somtimes
> giving the impression of powers of a variable when he meant indexing of a
know what you're saying, but.see above,
> >Folks who want to enumerate the entire language (which never appealed
> >to me and was never advocated by core EQists) may have concerns about
> >such 'restrictions', but if that is not the intention of an ordinal
> >system (which with Geber and EQ it isn't) they're best advised to just
> >do something else rather than witter on how the round peg doesn't fit
> >their square hole. ;-)
> With Temura, even the numbers dance a square.
oh square dancing and literal qabalah have a long history, right up to
the present day, and most productive it can be. It's the line dancing
gets a little tedious, especially the hard line and the straight line.
> >Here's to proper gibberish, and the mysterium tremendum <cheers>
> Indeed, and they say the Green Goddess yields the best gibberish before the
yep, its those cleaned up white gods and goddesses ain't so tremendous. }8^D
which is - and always has been - the problem with any attempt at
'rationalist religion', it just don't hit the buttons like the old
time stuff. ;-)
> All good things,
to you too.