On 21/01/07, 333 <nagasiva@...
> #> what is 'the widely accepted usage nowadays' of what Thelema is?
> religious groups in the wake of Aleister Crowley;
historically 'gnosis' is incompatible with formal organisations.
> philosophies of will, and their application in magic
the tricky area
> the magic part was my interest, so i glommed onto it.
yup, likewise and not only in this correspondence '-)
You presented the religion/philosophy of will/magic as a threefold
division before, and it got me wondering, wasn't Hermeticism a
religious philosophy that incorporated ('explained') magic?
> #> Is it one of the categories below, and if not, why not?
> #> a) implications within the Book of the Law,
> #> including it's exegesis?
well, that's my impression. ;-)
> #> b) general traditions inherited from AC, transmitted through the
> #> conduit of a particular interpretation?
> #> c) magic, incorporating the best of past systems updated on the
> #> basis of a correct understanding of 418?
> more and more often
possibly on an individual level here and there, but not in Thelemic
publishing or 'organisational' activity of which I am aware. There is
also infinitely more 'Magic' on lists devoted to Solomon than to
> #> Nowadays there is a lot of b) around, but not so very long ago
> #> a) seemed perfectly viable to a lot of folks (most of whom
> #> disagreed on principles of exegesis, but no matter).
> its statement is catholic (universal in its form).
The message is universal, interpretation is individual, but exegetical
methods can be shared, including new ones!
> #> c) is very much a minority perspective,
> yah, that's why i shifted T93's cat to magick and tried to
> put an emphasis on magic's use of volition to pursue its aims.
> 418 doesn't matter to me, being an incidental tool of a Magus.
oh but it matters to me, and to Thelema.
In fact something like it matters to the progress of Magic in general.
A 'Key to the Rituals' is essential to overcome blind imitation of
form in favour of application of principle; switching from 'Revival'
to Living Tradition'.
Thelema's claim to possess a 'Key' to such a language (in which
magicians can improvise anew within a living genre, rather than repeat
old scripts, including Crowley's) is perhaps the major reason for my
30+ years involvement.
> #> some deeper and wider efforts in that direction by
> #> the Thelemic community in general wouldn't hurt.
> broadening to the GENRE of book would be a good start.
> there are several intending to bring forward a philosophy
> of will and illustrate or describe application of said
> philosophy to influence the cosmos toward their aims that
> were published roughtly contemporaneously with Crowley's
sure, a lot of folks at the time thought Wagner was a new John The Baptist too.
In terms of understanding Crowley those factoids constitute 'literary'
or 'historical' exegesis, and are useful to critical understanding,
mainly on the part of 'intuh-lek-chuals'. ('The philosophers have only
interpreted the world, the point is to change it')
It's true that Crowley's ideal - possibly identical with Thelema -
involved Adepts armed with critical and intellectual equipment.
Nevertheless, Qaballistic exegesis takes place on another plane
entirely from literary and historiographical species of exegesis.
Though the intellectual *claims* of Crowleyan Thelema demand the
'critical' and 'literary' aspect be performed alongside, personally
I'd be happy with a Living Language of Potent Symbol, in which magick
could be performed without reliance on 'dead tongues''.
Let the philosophers write their commentary afterwards!
So - to sum up - from my perspective AL could be termed an expression
of the Zietgeist. While these other books were based on an individual
apprehension of the Zeitgeist, they do not express it in qaballistic
or magical terms.
> #> Personally Thelema nowadays seems like a tremendous
> #> letdown, and neglect of the implicit possibiliites
> #> leaves me incredulous. As does the widespread
> #> homogenous and static 're-enactment Thelema' which
> #> has abandoned all potential for a vanguard position
> #> within modern magic.
> correct. perhaps the operators are attempting to
> influence society on such a subtle level that nobody
> notices and few understand the responsibility for the
> miracle that will be that of the Keepers of the Keys.
The formula is subtly different from the office party, allegedly:
'Love is the Law, Love under the Influence.'