shalom alechem, my kin!
Ben Sansing explores his lexicon:
#> ...comprehensive Roadmap to the Universe,
#> known to the Wise as Qabalah.
generally the Kabbalah is known as Jewish
mysticism and the people and documents
included in this. by occultists sometimes
their understanding of their own Qabalah is
a diminishment in reflection to some kind
of operative tool, a mere technique, some
sort of filing cabinet mental assist.
#> ...a person working with the Tree of Life
#> glyph, the Sephirohts and Paths,
there's more than a few of these from which
to choose. seizing on one as sacrosanct or
solely authoritative appears to be the
pitfall of beginning occultists.
Goldawnians are by and large Lurianics.
#> will employ various techniques. . .
# You seem to equate the Qabalah with a
# guidance system.... Yet a guidance system,
# or "a map" if you will, must be reliable and
# accurate to be of any use....
thus the arbitrary results from occultists.
# ...Zen (or Dhyana if you will) is "a Way of
Zen Buddhism is a monastic order system whose
Japanese manifestation (Zenna) has Chinese
(Ch'anna) roots, but whose links to India
(Dhyana) are not apparent to me, beyond lingo and
some fantastic folk tales (about Bodhidharma).
# but the map offered by the Qabalah was
# designed to mislead, not to guide.
because occultists try to deceive people into
believing their orientalism and cosmologies?
# Following signposts of a previous climber along your
# ascent is fine, but only up to a point. Every Will
# is unique and likewise every path. To establish a
# set "map" of the "one true way" to attainment is
# chicanery at best, and culture-icidal at worst.
establishing set maps, symbol-sets and the proper
(keyed) interpretation of their presentation, is
fairly commonplace. arguing that they are important
innovations is in part what all cultists maintain
in order to flesh out and make plain their modus.
entirely new (sub?)cultures have been created in
the wake of such One True Way deployment.
#> Magick seeks Nothing, even as Zen seeks Nothing.
MagicK, the magical system of Aleister Crowley, is
geared for the Knowledge and Conversation of the
Holy Guardian Angel, and by this standard one may
discern White Magick and Black Magic, he says
#> With Qabalah, the seeker works Magick.
in which case there is something employed to
attain a result, mystical in the Magick of
Crowley, but intentional in all forms of magic
#> With Zen, the Magick works the seeker. . .
Crowley's magical system draws more from Yoga
(e.g. Patanjali) than it does from Japanese
mysticism of any kind. where is Crowley's Good
Book of Zenthelemic Poet-Koans? your suggestion
is "Book of Lies"? a right puzzler that one is. :)
# ...The Qabalah taught by the Rabbis and High Priests
# in Israel is a very, very different animal than the
# modern Western varieties, and most practices
# credited to the Qabalah are mere comparative
# religious eclecticisms having their origins
# in Europe and America, through a vain attempt
# to harmonize systems of Egyptian, Greek, Roman,
# Chinese, Hindu, and Arabic Magickal and Mystical
# traditions - mostly unsuccessfully I might add.
indeed, depending on the methodology of success
one adopts in evaluation.
# The pure Qabalah of the Rabbis ... was DESIGNED
# to confuse and conceal - NOT in order to aid in
# transcendence - but rather to keep the clever
# from meddling with the politics; and to cripple
# their enemies - mind, spirit, and soul.
a kind of tar baby? I have sometimes described
Crowley's scripture as such a thing.
#> . . .True Will is running the show.
hopeful! ands the axioms begin to fly!
"Ben Sansing" <sws1@...
# Agreed. The old "kosher" QBL (as one book-write
# called it) is ridled with the drivel of calcified
# thinking. The newer versions, by contrast, are more
# flexible. Yet, ultimately, everyone must build
# their own QBL - just as one would take a flat map,
# add circles and arrows, perhaps redraw a section
# after surveying the territory it claimed to
# depict... etc.
and the QBL lapses from epitome to device.
# ...simply another potential tool...
except to the many participants in its
# "If it works, keep it, if it doesn't throw it out -
# modify and make fit for practical use"....
also come to understand why it masquerades as things
which it is not, or that it underestimates what it
# I see Qabalah more as an attempt toward one's
# own universal filing cabinet....
divination and magic are fun.
# The key to a common framework for such a system
# is its flexibility in the hands of a variety of
# individuals with little or nothing necessarily
# in common.
the blandification for mass-production is assured.
# ...If your Qabalah works for you, use it.
# But, mind your own Qabalah! ;)
mind your Ps (pentagrams!) and Qs (qabalahs!). when
they begin to be devices they are comparably objective.
"S.N. Parsons" <caligula_718@...
# It isn't so much the Qabalah that pigeonholes
occultist QBL tends to rough-fit into fab-form holes.
# as it is the user of the system.
the system fashioned wears away incompatability,
however artificial is the collaged 'solution'.
# All the Qabalah is, is a set of ten "realities"
# connected by 22 " pathways". It is up to you how
# you use it.
that's how it boils down in Hermetic enterprises.
the Jewish original is left behind in a cloud of
vapors and chutzpah.
# Besides, just by the use of the term "system"
# you're pigeonholing anything whatsoever.
quite so. the actual Kabbalah is a maelstrom of
varying ideologies and theoretical and practical
systems, at times self-contradictory or at least
so variable as not to constitute a single coherent
'system'. this is blandified in Hermetica to the
favourite notions of the Golden Dawn experts,
carefully coultivating an aura of expertise
while ignoring the actual bases for the elements
(Jewish, matricular, patriarchal).
# ...an error isn't the fault of a system at all, but
# the fault of one who doesn't know how to use it.
# ...There are 97* of Masonry, 10* in A.'.A.'.,
# G.'.D.'., OTO, etc. etc. Perhaps there is a fault
# with Masonry's system, since it definitely wouldn't
# be simple to divide them evenly into any of the
# Rosicrucian/Thelemic grades that we find so
generally Freemasonry is said to be 3 degrees only.
the rest are 'appendants' and add-ons by those who
have an interest in deepening the fraternal network
and initiation schema. for this reason you'll find
that they have additional descriptors, such as
'Scottish Rite' and 'York Rite', which tend to
more absorptively integrate Christian and occult
elements to their ceremonials. the Scottish Rite
was created in large by Albret Pike, whose "Morals
and Dogma" set the tone for numerous occultists
also who enjoyed his plagiarism of Levi and
controversial imaginative fabrication otherwise.
# but, when you see that these degrees are only
# useful ways to tally one's achievement,
the rituals are inculcative and transformative
membership vetting society cementers. they are
intended to have personal and social effects.
your description of them as badges is as
erroneous by omission as is the description
above of Kabbalah as a filing system. yes we
can take these things for what thy are not,
but we are not apprehending them so much as
ignoring and insulting them.
# and that a degree is really only a new and more
# efficient perspective gained through knowledge
# and experience, you should be able to see that
# it is very possible to label such an experience,
# and make it diagrammatical.
in the fancies of idealists.
# We all use systems, and they all work because
# we've adapted and accustomed ourselves to them.
sounds hopeful. what can you demonstrate
that they reliably work to achieve?
# Life *is* an illusion,
not demonstrated, and it sounds disabling.
# therefore by creating systems based on
# post-priori knowledge, a system will work
# if the user works with it sincerely.
the 'It is all a dream anyway, so all systems
will work if diligently engaged' hypothesis.
no thought of internal integrity or relation
to the real is necessary. more vapors.
# If you haven't adopted [adapted?] yourself
# to the Tree of Life, that is a fault of your
# own and means nothing when you try to condemn
# a system that has worked for virtually everyone
# else who is sincere....
the falsities surrounding 'Qabalah' are almost as
blatant and palpable as those surrounding Tarot.
they are created by orientalists and confabulists
who seek to usurp attention away from longstanding
traditions religious and mystical and direct it
instead to the new 'masters' propagating simplistic
"truths" as dogmatic knowledge and misidentifying
the diversity that does exist irresponsibly and
deceptively as indisciplined distance from truth.
# Name one individual who expanded the world of
# occult that was not deeply influenced by Qabalah
# (or, Kabbalah)?
Agrippa. Atteilla. if you clearly stipulate that
'Qabalah' relates to oral transmission by Jews in
their mystical communities, most occultists fail
# ...and, if you are a practicing Magician,
# if you choose not to work within a Qabalistic
10-base is pretty common amongst humans. it doesn't
have to be in QBL to be decanoid.
# I am assuming that you have found a better system
# to equate so many various and nefarious attributions
# to life's mysteries, then?
short-hand systems are easily constructed. that does
not make them sacrosanct. 'what works' is ignored by
paying little if any attention to what happens and
attributing cause to one's favourite panacea.
# If so, do tell; or if you have found a better
# method of classification, maybe you could share
# that with us as well.
diffuse systems of objects unrelated by anything
other than being foci of experience are not going
to go into any filing system easily and without
shaving off inconvenient edges and corners. that
you believe they will indicates your lack of
familiarity to the referents. that's what was
being pointed out by this text:
#> However, not only do the Gods and Goddesses
#> themselves require special exceptions
#> throughout the A'atz Chaiim diagram ....
there are several attribution systems within Jewish
and Hermetic QBL. none of them are sacrosanct.
# ...with so many various and (in)applicable attributes
# of Qabalah, betwixt plants, odors, gods and/or states
# of being, that there is no need to put them in order
# at all....
that is correct, or that their "order" is utilitarian
and suffices for a symbol-cypher sufficient to 'confirm'
whatever vision or reverie has seen fit to show the
occultist. as such, this is a tool that should not be
provided with the label of another culture's mysticism.
#> but the physiological facts of life as well require
#> extensive revision and exception.
# Is this any different from any other point in time?
# "Change is stability"...therefore we await change
# and revision. Qabalah is a system, but it is a fluid
# and ever-changing system. The milk of today is the
# mold of tomorrow.
since the Kabbalah (and indeed any respectable QBL)
is not 'a single system', it is demonstrable that
single systems have their limitations in terms of
what goes into making them identifiable. for example,
the Lurianic Tree doesn't integrate well the
Pythagorean tetraktys. for this reason i
reconstructed the Tree so as to more concretely
reflect this ancient and well-respected format at:
# You are pretty much saying that there is a lack of
# perfect division between any two various philosophical
# systems, correct? There are Four Noble Truths, Two
# Wings of Ma'at, Ten Legs of Sobek, Six Rays of
# Yeheshua, etc. etc. Numbers (again) are abstractions:
# this means that you have to take each system and its
# branches, and *put them together yourself* in order
# for it to make sense to you.
the various numeric associations to the instructions
of the world's religiomysticism don't allow for a neat
and seamless collage. if you believe that they do, then
you're only using it for yourself or you have little
understanding of world cultures and their variation.
# The fact you don't understand Qabalah is a statement
# that you don't know how to correctly *use* it....
given the fact that occultists ripped it off from
Jewish books without much reference and hallowed it
as their rightful tool of choice, they are hardly
qualified to begin informing us of 'correct' usage.
# "It would be difficult to construct your own Qabalah,
# however, I do suggest you do so" [para.]
what the occultist means when speaking in this way is
to construct one's own numerolinguistic matrix. she
does not realize that the Kabbalah with which she
competes is far more complex and social in its
doctrines than the occultists could have known, and
that individuals cannot truly construct Qabalahs
since they are social systems of largely oral
communication (by the etymology of the word).
# ...30 doesn't seem to fit too well within a
# 32-point philological system, but you can make
# it if you know what you're doing....
minor differences can be glossed over if one is
uninterested in reflecting the items realistically.
for stand-ins and place-holders, that may be enough.
for something which actually branches off of ortho-
language and bears a relation to how the terms and
language are used, problems will be encountered
immediately, and no amount of futzing will smooth
over the bulk of the cultural dissonance.
# Qabalah only misleads those who were meant to be
how convenient and self-adjusting of the QBL to do
this for us. it provides a kind of 'destiny' and
built-in moderator for who 'should' be using it.
# I'm not a fervent American, but I very much doubt
# (from experience onwards) that anyone in the
# Western Tradition is working to eliminate the
# Jewish perspective....
of course not, because too many of them are trying
to displace and substitute for Jews in the Christian
and post-Christian cultures of their arising. they
don't want to eliminate Jews but instead to take their
place as the favourite(s) of the God. this is where we
get Hermetic Qabalah, British Israelites, and Jews
for Jesus, not to mention the raft of subversion
ideologies fomented by Christians and Juslims.
# ...there is no one true way, but then again, if we
# generalize, there is one true way.
there is no convincing evidence of this exclusive
truth, nor even of standards evaluating such 'ways'.
it amounts to declarations without substantiation
and becomes a further raft of claims without basis
to placate those used to religious triteness as
# ...for those who have studied *any* occult
# literature, have lost their virginity, or have
# found other pathway unto the LVX, I suggest
# pushing forward, and let us eventually create
# a new, less ancient Qabalah...
you won't be able to create such a thing. it will
remain its original and a spin-off cultural modules,
and your individual numerolinguistic construct
will be your little toy and little more. if you
fashion fancy writings on top of it and generate
lots of hi falutin' metaphysics and theology to
go alongside you might become a known para-QBList
and Madonna might like you. she might even give you
a Kabbalah (red) thread for you to wear and ask
you for children to raise. ;)
# I wanted to address your allusion to the alleged
# technical deficiencies of the system in a
# separate post, as I assume that you intend
# those objections to apply to modern Qabalah
# as well as to its ancient roots:
few ever worry about roots to what they're doing
in the rush to become the next God-Jews. Judaphilic
mystics in the Hermetic cultus have perturbed and
post-Christianized the entirety with their
hellenized mish-mash of cross-cultural collage.
whether the material is simpified so as to somehow
qualify for their hubris-laden claims or the people
themselves are built up to handle the charge, the
notion of 'modern Qabalah' and contentions as to
the 'roots' of it are almost always specious and
lead us back to Lurianic exposition by Rosenroth.
# Any deficiencies to modern Qabalah are self-imposed
# by the operator, either out of ignorance, laziness
# or simply limited experience. This is particularly
# true if the deficiencies are related to capacity
# or organization of sets of elements.
funny you should mention that. the elemnts are a spot
wherein 'modern Qabalah' typically falls on its face,
due to the penchance that occultists have for cleaving
to Aristotlean rather than Yetziratic elementalism.
the Sepher Yetzirah has 3 elements, modern occultism
sports 4, and chinese and Discordian elements are
5 in number. I've done my best to rationally mesh
them, but the bridge from 4-5 is difficult owing to
the nature(Chinese) vs supernature(modern post-
Christian) dynamic ('Earth' or whatever figures as
central in the Chinese schama is not an aggregate
the way that 'Spirit' is in the West; the best i've
managed was to fuse Air/Metal and hope that the
occultist is a fan of Sword/Air associations).
# Now, any objection to this broader illustration
# of the system, certainly any objection based upon
# its variance from ancient Judaic roots, is totally
nonsense. if you want ancient you should conform with
the ancient expression of it that is featured as
central to its composition. thus 3-lements is more
accurate with respect to the old guys (and 'Earth'
is created by some composition of the other 3
# Progress is progress.
when creating individual utility-driven symbol sets
that one can use to translate one's dreams and
visions into numeric values and 'confirm' that
their integrity and meaning are sound, that is,
a numerolinguistic matrix for consult posterior
to visions and pathworking, progress is progress
(because it is individual). but when it comes to
actual Kabbalahs or Qabalahs, progress must somehow
be integral to the society giving it shape and form.
# Flexibility while retaining consistency and coherency
# is the only valid criteria for this system.
in terms of such a simplified tool, quite true.
# One could easily, were one so inclined, drag your
# objections as stated above through the net that I
# have described without anything slipping through
# unaccounted for.
within a particular numerolinguistic o
# I am not so inclined, but you should easily be
# able to do it for yourself. If necessary, the
# system is capable of infinite expansion as per
# my illustration, while retaining its ability
# for ultimate contraction into Naught. :)
sounds hopeful. artificialities can often be
manipilated into whatever form or style that
we desire, though with greater and lesser
convincingness as they diversify in number.
without some 'ancient' fallback for authority
any number of features will become sticking
points for protocols and harmony. the triad
of elements is one example, and the number
of 'paths' (22? 32? 42??) surely is another
example of what cannot easily be sustained.
# [Ben's] explanations are self-contradictory,
# either the structure suffices or it doesn't....
not quite. it might suffice as one type of
personal numerolinguistic matrix while for
another (say, as an entire mystical system)
it may be completely unhelpful.
# It's not so much perfection of a system that
# should be considered,
we don't know what 'perfection' includes here.
# but the accuracy of its structure.
'accuracy' is tricky to gauge when what is being
measured is so abstract and insubstantial. that
which is called 'accurate' or 'inaccurate' tends
to be ignored for what people like of it.
'I like it, it is fun, it is accurate'. :)
# The Qabalah makes very large assertions, then
# conveniently omits to follow through on any
# of them. The whole matter would be a mere
# joke if there were not so many that took it
# so seriously as to 'snap-reaction' rush to
# its defense whenever it's criticized (cf.
# my later post).
# ...The accusation that modern Europeans (add
# 'Americans' to that now) were tending to
# reinterpret the Bible in light of other
# foreign systems, in order to find 'stuff'
# in it that wasn't there.
that happens all the time with new cults. each
stage of the manipulation of scripture allows
the novelties to insert or extract pieces to
conform with the interests of the religious
(effectively to 'Davinci Code' it). whether
the revelations were already *inside* the
scripture prior to their discovery is a sort
of academic question that delves or more into
semantics than ascertainable phenomena.
# ...to one who has "perfected their cup",
# truth can be found in anything, even in lies.
relegating truth to its accurate placement in
relative and personal spheres. the fact that
one may experience 'truth' by this fanciful
and multifaceted observation isn't so much
a testimony to the 'cup perfection' done by
the mage as the imagination of the thinker
trying to put the whole into a new configuration.
# However, for most beginners, one can only
# interpret something accurately through the
# culture from which it originated.
not readily available for Hermetic mages. we
coudl pretend that we are the inheritors of
the God's perfect system and proceed accordingly,
yet this is no kind of 'accuracy' aside from
its integrity to our imaginations and hopes.
# ...If we cling tightly to the "rituals of the
# old times", then we deserve to be discarded with
# the empty skein(?).
the premise is flawed, for the Hermets never had
the old rituals, and just played as if they did.
# However, by stepping "out of the old aeon into
# the new" we can assure our survival without even
# "swimming out past the breakers".
so many hopeful posts.
# ...years and hundreds of years of struggle took
# place to regain our ancestral heritage that was
# preserved openly only among the Arabs, and
# secretly within the hidden chapels of secret
# societies who concealed the ark against the
# profane (i.e. against the Judaeo-Christian and
# ignorant superstitious socialistic peasantry)....
the Lost Keys scenario. it works for orientalists.
# The procession of the Equinoxes
you must be referring to their PRECESSION here.
# almost guarantees such a turn of events
# continuously repeating itself, due to the
# continual 'changing of the guards' of the
# planetary energies in dominance over each
# new AEon.
this is a conflation of AEons with zodiacal
Ages. there is no such consonance. the AEon
is personal and expansive whereas the Age
is planetary and configurational with respect
to Spring Equinox sunrise signs (arbitrary
but consistent). the Age cycle takes tens of
thousands of years and are described as of
sequential (reversed) sign composure (12).
AEons are more arbitrary, personal, and are
provided by occultists in competition for
the typical trigons of Jupiter which were
the marker for th commencement of the Age
of Pisces, and possibly Ages prior.
# ...It's not that the realms of Choronzon
# ...are where one doesn't want to be, it's
# that one doesn't want to become a permanent
# resident there in subservience - sort of
# like pledging yourself in service to the OTO....
the folklore striking off of this post-Enochian
psychological 'demon' (Choronzon, 333 and, if
you believe zany QBLists, its mate Chozzar, 333)
is amusing and plays well with conventional
reinterpretations making all of this some
kind of self-psychoanalytic enterprise. the
'Abyss', wherein Choronzon is said to dwell,
does not usually match up well with joining up
to an overarching initiatic membership cult.
you're mixing metaphors in unsustainable and
fitting perfectly one's skills and energies
into a stable schema is what allows for
repeated and predictable progress toward the
aims of the well-constructed vehicle. your
interest in portraying the OTO in nefarious
ways has you presenting the demonic in more
perturbed manners than is usually engaged by
those without axes to grind.
# ...Qabalah couldn't be more antagonistic
# to the way of The Way!!! and therefore
# such an identity is at best absurd.
sounds convoluted and confused.
#> ...The old "kosher" QBL (as one book-[wright]
#> called it) is [riddled] with the drivel of
#> calcified thinking.
only the drivel that is promoted by occultists.
focus on some Jewish writers fluent in English
newer than Christian Knorr von Rosenroth such
as Gershom Scholem or Moshe Idel (Max Cooper).
#> The newer versions, by contrast, are more
the presentation by occultists is staid and
inflexible so as to give receivers (compare
its etymology!) the notion of orthodoxy and
a hoo k to some authoritative source (if we
claim that we are Correct and forbid the
alternatives, then we can become convnicing
as the inheritors of Jewish mysticism).
#> Yet, ultimately, everyone must build
#> their own QBL ....
giving the distinct immpression that the
model proper is NOT reflecting anything
that is consistent *and* real. in fact the
whole is arbitrary and there is nothing
which is inherent to the Jewish or pre-
Jewish origins (formal, methodological)
which necessarily reflects on what is so
often misunderstood as "spirit.
# ...the entire medium must be chosen for
# the foundations and onwards....
granted that, there is no reason to:
1) deal with Hebrew
2) retain the Lurianic Tree
3) consider it emanationalist
4) think it universal
# Not only thereby correcting the numerical
# value, but also (in one interpretation
# thereof) correcting the fundamental
# structure from unity into three (some
# say four) distinct and unique terms.
these are so widespread in their usage and
so proliferant as to be impossible to really
identify with anything sustainable long term.
# . . . and yet they do have value in themselves
# if you remember the Sepher Ha-Yetzirah. Each
# path has its own "Intelligence" which is unique
# unto itself. Part of my objection to modern
# Qabalists is that they have a tendency to
# disregard these initial foundations of the
# system and revise the schema in contradiction
# to its original intentions.
that from which what is known was constructed is
in diffuse and splayed form, a remnant of the oral
tradition from which it has emerged. the ambiguity
of the original documents led to multiple streams
of Jewish mysticism employing to thir own purposes
the theory and symbolism created. the interest in
displaying the "original" as somehow integrated
and succinct is comparable to how Christians
seek to portray their scripture as originally
containing that which is being presented as
preferred (and yet is groundless, effectively
propaganda to Jews for conversion purposes).
# Remember that just because (for example) the
# Tarot can be made to fit nicely upon the A'atz
# Chaiim, does not infer that the "true meaning"
# of the Tarot is approached through studying or
# understanding Qabalah.
'true meanings' are not demonstrated, not
# My main point was that students of the Qabalah
note the varying meaning of this phrase: "students
of the Qabalah". it begins to become meaningless on
account of the nuemerous occultists who presume it
an ancient remnant from an usurped mystical system
and no more than a numerolinguistic matrix. thsoe
who take it in this latr valenc are either dupes
of Hermetic mages trying to out-Jew Jews or are
examples of this orientalism themselves.
# tend to overemphasize the artificial divisions
# created by the Qabalah and then (somehow) assume
# that this new Qabalistic interpretation is the
# "true inner meaning" of some completely separate
# (and in most cases antagonistic) system, such as
there was the 22-resonance that got occultists to
fib their Tarot game into occult tool territory,
starting with de Gebelin and his successors and
proliferating via other savants like Levi. if one
is trying to tie all phenomena into a simple
symbol set then the meshing of incompatible
systems of meaning is inevitable.
# An over-reliance upon the framework of the
# Qabalah leads to the type of thought that
# Ceremonial Magick "depends upon" the
# Qabalah, and that:
rather than the typical inverse: that magic
*depends* on the constructs of Kabbalah for
its rudiments. thre are operative magical
systems within Kabbalistic society and these
are at times found witin Lurianic contexts,
so the Goldawnians can be thrilled.
# ...utilizing your ingenium to force any other
# system to conform to the system of Sephirotic
# classification thereby destroys (NOT enhances,
# NOR reveals) the original system.
it integrates what it can. 'the original' is
not even a given. sometimes 'the original' is
just a fabrication for conversio nof the listenwe
(sort of like how subversion ideologies are used
by Christians and Muslims to convert pagans to
the Superior Religion by contrast of threat).
# Likewise when this form of thinking becomes a
# subconscious process, an aspiring Mystick may
# happen across a grouping of ten spirits and
# instantly begin trying to fit them into the
# ten Sephiroth. This can be (and usually is)
# a fatal mistake . . .
fatal? sounds extreme. how it can be described
as 'accurate' given these shoe-fittings is to
be explained, usually quite badly.
# ...To abstract everything down into a Base 10
# numerical system (ultimately adopted because
# humans usually have ten fingers) is naught
# but folly.
too far the other direction. there is a
demonstrated utility for simplistic file
cabinet classifications in magical work.
generally this extends into planetary and
sexigesimal valences for any who want to
try to trace back to antiquity their
meaning and structure in the Western
cultures (post-Sumerian, post-Babylonian).
# Many systems, such as the Taoist can
# only be accurately understood from a
# Base 2 perspective through the stirring
# and interplay of Yin and Yang.
or base 5 (elemental). by some evaluations
such as yours above the Yijing (I Ching,
I King) is said to be Taoist in character!
# The end result of trying to attribute
# everything to its [Sephirah] is a form
# of delusional schizophrenia (sometimes
# referred to as "having the Qabalah
# Cuckoos") whereby one ends up declaring
# such nonsense as intelligent design to the
# haphazard structures of the Universe.
this declaration is part of the religious
premises of numerous Jewish, Christian, and
post-Christian Hermetic mystics in engaging
the Kabbalah and their own spin-off QBLs
(the Cabala of Christians and the Qabalah
# ....these measurements ... are based
# upon an ARBITRARY system devised for
# convenience by humans....
yes, measurement units are arbitrary.
# Extending this practice to include Gematria
# as well (since it too is a fundamental
# practice of the Qabalah),
gematria precedes Jewish mysticism and its
competitors/usurpers originating with Greeks.
# almost guarantees the crippling of one's
# clear vision of the Divine.
presuming a vision of the divine at all is
hubris, but at least there is some reason to
think that the lettersets aren't arbitrary but
natural (i.e. they derive from previous
cultures and may be tracked thereto).
#> The value of such a system diminishes
#> beginning at the moment that two or
#> more individuals attempt to agree upon
#> the values or relationships of the
#> elements composing a single such system.
given that the referents to such systems
are arbitrary or unsubstantiated, and are
used merely as a method of conceptual array
for assignment of magical tones in a harmonic,
it is completely expectable not only that
such systems will not mesh, well but that
their utility will depend upon the cleverness
and artfulness of the magician.
#> Such an attempt to communicate via the
#> agreed upon new language will inevitably
#> create a dogmatic construct, to which
#> some will inevitably object, beginning
#> with those individuals least inclined
#> toward compromise.
agreed. their agreement is rather academic.
# ...Qabalah might work for some,
most just abuse the name.
# but others also work hanging from hooks, or by
# flagellating themselves....
or engaging numerolinguistic matrices without
pretending that they are august Jewish mystical
and may peace be with you!