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• Thelema ... with the second sentence, though. Choosing the Sun as a fixed point is a mathematical and astronomical convenience. It makes the equations come
Message 1 of 10 , Sep 21, 2006
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Thelema

Davyd writes:
> I agree with your point about the timing for Resh. I disagree
with the second sentence, though. Choosing the Sun as a fixed point
is a mathematical and astronomical convenience. It makes the
equations come out much more elegantly. Choosing the Earth as the
fixed point would make the math a lot more weird but is not
logically infeasible.
>
++Well, from my experience, Resh helped me understand the
relationship between the Sun and the Earth and my perspective of
that relationship. What I was trying to explain was that Resh isn't
about when you can do it; rather that it is more along the lines of
what is going on around you, and you participating in those events.
I wasn't saying let's take the Sun as our fixed point so much as
doing Resh before bedtime because you have to go to work the next
day defeats the point of Resh. It is relatively easy to make a
bedtime prayer if one wanted to, but keeping Resh as specific to
adorations of the Sun at its stations is the key to the Rite. IMO

Davyd writes:
>Consider this example: Imagine that the entirety of space is
completely empty except for you. Are you moving? How can you
tell? You can only determine movement in relation to some fixed
point. So let's add a ball, revolving around you. Or is it?
Perhaps it is the you who are revolving around the ball. Or perhaps
you are both revolving around some third point. If we add a second
ball, also (from your perspective) revolving around you, it is much
easier to describe the resulting sytem mathematically by assuming
that you are the fixed point.
>
> Given an infinite (or at least unbounded) universe, the choice of
any point as the "center" is completely arbitrary. So in a very
real sense, the Self *IS* the center of the universe around which
everything else "revolves."

+++smile+ and that way solipsism hides...Thing is, I really wasn't
trying to define Liber Resh in the terms of Liber
Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia. Liber Resh to me at least is about
getting involved with the cosmos around us, not making the cosmos
revolve around your own personal routine. Liber Resh actually helps
dissolve the self, removing one from the center as it were. Whilst
contemplating the Universe, the center may be arbitrary; the action
upon the Earth by the Sun is not. The Sun has an intrinsic value to
the Earth, and the Earth to you.

Will
Love
ALWays

Scarlet
• It could be argued that as Thelemites we identify with the sun (Every Man and every woman is a star...) and as such, more than identifying with an external sun
Message 2 of 10 , Sep 22, 2006
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It could be argued that as Thelemites we identify with the sun (Every Man and every woman is a star...) and as such, more than identifying with an external sun we focus on different solar aspects of ourselves.

Thelema,> In addition, of> course, when do you perform Resh?Julianus writes:"Like it says: dawn, noon, sunset, and midnight. I think most peoplemodify this to the extent of performing dawn and midnight Resh when theyfirst wake up and just before bed, respectively."um...doesn't doing Resh when you wake up and when you go to bed defeat the point of Resh? The Sun does not revolve around us, we revolve around it. WillLoveALWaysScarlet---------------------------------Do you Yahoo!?Get on board. You're invited to try the new Yahoo! Mail.[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

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• ... helps ... action ... to ... I like what you are saying. The earth has alot to do with how life works on this planet, but it has almost nothing to do about
Message 3 of 10 , Sep 23, 2006
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--- In thelema93-l@yahoogroups.com, "lucy_fyre" <lucy_fyre@...>
wrote:
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> Thelema

>
> +++smile+ and that way solipsism hides...Thing is, I really wasn't
> trying to define Liber Resh in the terms of Liber
> Batrachophrenoboocosmomachia. Liber Resh to me at least is about
> getting involved with the cosmos around us, not making the cosmos
> revolve around your own personal routine. Liber Resh actually
helps
> dissolve the self, removing one from the center as it were. Whilst
> contemplating the Universe, the center may be arbitrary; the
action
> upon the Earth by the Sun is not. The Sun has an intrinsic value
to
> the Earth, and the Earth to you.

I like what you are saying. The earth has alot to do with how life
works on this planet, but it has almost nothing to do about stopping
us from expanding our consciousness beyond its influance. Afterall,
thats one goal of the ancient mystery schools, getting your
consciousness out of the earth and into the cosmos.

But your thread points to another more issue. I have been working
with the various pentagram and hexagram exercises and truely believe
one of the ideas is to become aware of natural forces within and how
we react to those without and within. I do not see the self as a
obstacle, rather it is a means of understanding and relating.

That being said, the self seems to be a vehicle for understanding
ourselves and seeing creation as it is, however inaccurate it may be.

The times are changing though. We are starting to think more
wholistic. We now know, it is highly unlikely that humans are the
only intelligent beings in our portion of the universe. And
interaction with humanity has in all likelihood already taken place.
Yet, many people even today, still believe that we have right to do
what we want, regardless of erroneous views and perspectives about
natural forces. That so called humanistic viewpoint does not
diminish the impact of creation on mages, at any level. Humanistic
or not, we are nonetheless subject to creative forces which are
often not so personal or compassionate.

I would hardly attempt to climb Mt. Everest without appropriate
pretraining and equipment, cause afterall the earth cares very
little if I freeze or not.

Anubis
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