93 Greetings! Please forgive a brief reply, pressure of work. ... He knew people who had both responses. Of course he knew J.F.C. Fuller who was veryMessage 1 of 32 , Jul 7, 2006View Source93
Please forgive a brief reply, pressure of work.
># I do think Crowley's anti-Jew prejudice should not be dismissed. HeHe knew people who had both responses. Of course he knew J.F.C. Fuller
># lived in a society where there was ghastly prejudice and saintly
># opposition to that prejudice. Both positions were available to him.
>how available? we should consult someone who studied the anti-Semitism
>of that period and have his assessment of its proportion and how he
>Aleister Crowley compared with his fellow British kinsmen of the time.
who was very anti-Jewish. He also knew Victor Neuburg who edited the
premier anarchist journal whilst anarchists were fighting Blackshirt
fascists on the streets of London. It is true that Neuburg had
disagreements with some of those anarchists. He argued that the
Blackshirts should have freedom of speech, an easier position to take in
the Sussex countryside where Neuburg was based than in East London where
his comrades probably saw it as less a question of freedom of speech
than a question of who controlled the streets and whether, if you were a
Jew or whatever, you could walk down the road without risk of getting
your head kicked in. Anyway whilst Neuburg supported the right of
Fascists to freedom of speech there is no question that he opposed what
they were saying and supported those who were fighting them. Also
Crowley knew Ethel Archer and was in contact with her whilst she was
working with Emily Pankhurst, a political saint, who brought over Jewish
refugees from Nazis Germany (the refujews as Crowley called them).
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... 93 You really believe that ALL of the dying-god systems are semetic? Lol. Christianity is as much Greek as it is Jewish - even the name Jesus isMessage 32 of 32 , Jul 10, 2006View SourceAryobrand <destroy_the_oto@...> wrote:
>What does this have to do with the antagonistic relationship between93
>The New Aeon of Horus and the passing (Hurry! Hurry-UP!) Aeon of the
>slave-gods? This is that to which I was referring. This will
>naturally give Thelema an anti-semitic flavour since those systems
>are all jewish in origin. BTW, I personally don't know any (or of
>any) who emulate Crowley, or anyone else for that matter, so I
>couldn't comment upon such needing a special category for Darwin
>awards. Whatever the comment was supposed to imply! ;)
You really believe that ALL of the dying-god systems are semetic? Lol. Christianity is as much Greek as it is Jewish - even the name "Jesus" is partially derived (by one theory) from Zeus - specifically a form of Zeus called The Saviour, whom many helenized Jews identified with the God of Abraham (the Judaen Zeus - or Ju-Zeus). But lets look more closely at the Jewish aspect of Christianity, shall we? The particular strain of Judaism which had the most influence was the one which believed in an apocalypse, in a God of Light and Justice opposed to a God of Darkness and deception (the Pharasees being the most influential group in this camp). In other words, Zoroastrianism, imported from Persia after the Babylonian captivity, and slathered with a thick layer of Jewish myth. And the Persians/Iranians are not semites - they are considered "indo-european."
I must also wonder: Did the Aeon of Osiris never occur in the East? Or have semitic people been secretly controlling the worlds' religions for the past 2 millenia or so?
In Liber AL many religions are referenced and disparaged in some form. ONLY the Jews are brought up as a specific group without getting trashed.
Most of those things about mainstream Christianity which are despicable cannot be traced back to Judaism. Original Sin is a Christian invention. The dualism which gave us a Satan to blame and fear, while coming to us through Judaism (one branch of it) is traceable to Iran - to an indo-european source. I have heard of no pre-Christian form of Judaism which believes that this world is "fallen" or that the body should be despised - though later sects undoubtable adopted Christian ideas into them, just as earlier sects adopted Greek and Persian ideas - and Babylonian for that matter. Check out Isaahs' mystical-shamanic vision of God (or Metatron, depending on your interpretion) on the banks of the Euphraetes - it is a perfect description of Marduk, the God of the people who had taken them captive (the Babylonians, again, are considered indo-european). That the God of Abraham should then later come to resemble the God of the people who would set them free should be
Religious systems, like race, only appear distinct if you look at them over a short span of time. A broader perspective shows the transitory impermanence of these distinctions. The modern Jew - or any other group you pick - is not the same as the ancient one, either racially, mythically, or philosophically, because these distinctions exist in the mind - not in reality. "The people" are a myth. Race is real - but only in our culture, not our biology. Race is our creation, not Natures'.