# Would someone, please, let me know what resources # they ve found to be the most instrumental in # helping them gain the conversation of their # HolyMessage 1 of 4 , Sep 9, 2005View Source# > Would someone, please, let me know what resources
# > they've found to be the most instrumental in
# > helping them gain the conversation of their
# > Holy Guardian Angel?
Two texts you might want to look at are Ritual 8, otherwise the 8th Aethyr
in Liber 418 the Vision and the Voice, and the Scholion to Liber Samech.
These offer alternative timetables if nothing else and methods that vary in
their elaboration. As for Abramelin itself you should note that the squares
are often sections of the Hebrew Bible taken from the Masoretic text and
then had letters removed for Qabalistic purposes. The key to working them
properly is to be able to fill in the blanks. Bill Heidrick has a basic
introductory exposition somewhere on the Thelema Lodge Calendar site.
Crowley, it should be noted, identifies the HGA with Ishvara in Saivite
terms and this can be helpful in applying yogic texts, esp. if one can
extricate them from Vaishnite theological accretions that usually mar modern
editions. What we usually have as yoga texts and translations is like
looking at the Old Testament through the lense of the New Testament,
interesting to be sure but far from the intentions of the original
P.S. It's not www.abremelin.org <http://www.abremelin.org> but
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... yet to ... now to ... private ... acquiring the ... allowed). do i understand that you are in adherence to some sort of standard operating procedure? ifMessage 1 of 4 , Sep 9, 2005View Source
> # > Does it really take 6 months to effect this manifestation?"Touch Ecstasy":
> # could take a lifetime...
> I've been taking the "casual" approach a la Secret Lover, and haveyet to
> manifest the necessary circumstances in a decade of "preparations"now to
> actually complete this working (getting closer though...owningprivate
> property makes the year-long wait betweeen consecrating and re-acquiring the
> talismans a more realistic operation than renting has ever so farallowed).
do i understand that you are in adherence to some sort of
standard operating procedure?
if you wouldn't mind, what's your time line look like?
also, at what age did you determine to plot a course towards this
goal? has it been just about ten years, you say? also, what are your
thoughts of "the abyss" as it relates to your hga?
> > those more familiar with that work will be able to tell youcurrent,
> > whether the 6 month period conforms to Abramelin.
> # ...the HGA isn't probably what you think it is...
> By definition, if the K&C of the HGA is our personal "next step in
> evolution," it is impossible to conceive of adequately from our
> "un-evolved" condition (c.f. Terence McKenna's "2012" theories).hmmm? do i understand correctly that you see your k&c as the
goal? if so, would that be the goal of this life? do i also have it
correct that you have a belief that you cannot adequately conceive of
what you will evolve into? (sorry, i'm not well versed. at all)
> > people seem reluctant to specify "what" the Holy Guardianregarding
> > Angel (sometimes "the Angel", others "Guardian Angel",
> > plus other names) is, how it relates to the individual,
> > ... perhaps this is out of humility, or... a desire
> > not to reveal their methods or weaknesses ...
> > the subjective experience seems to vary, by report
> > .... there can be quite a bit of displacement,
> > argumentation, and dispute over what constitutes
> > 'quality' or 'real Knowledge and Conversation'
> Here it is probably worthwhile baring in mind Lao Tze's statements
> the Tao: "Those who know, don't speak..."above, of
> This doesn't apply to this conversation or the books references
> course...would you please explain a bit, the relevence of the quote to
your current conversation?
> > ...yet tutelary deities are age-old, nothing new.more "visceral"
> > Socrates had one, as records indicate, and the
> > Greeks knew them as what are called 'augoeides'.
> The living traditions of Candomble, Santeria etc. offer
> evidence of the tutelary deity experience today.so then you define your hga as a watchful protector angel or as
> (HU owns UR hed, EH?)
your own next evolution which you cannot conceive of? or ... (you've
confused me) is it that you believe that you will evolve into a
guardian angel type (like the ancestor-protectors of such as the
above cited groups?)? if so, is physical death neccesary? or... ?
would you then be the guardian angel type for your descendants, which
they, in turn, would make it their goal to become?
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93 All, ... That would probably refer to this: http://www.billheidrick.com/tlc1994/tlc0394.htm#ar The link just above goes to the first installment of my AnMessage 1 of 4 , Sep 10, 2005View Source93 All,
David Jones wrote:
>As for Abramelin itself you should note that the squaresThat would probably refer to this:
>are often sections of the Hebrew Bible taken from the Masoretic text and
>then had letters removed for Qabalistic purposes. The key to working them
>properly is to be able to fill in the blanks. Bill Heidrick has a basic
>introductory exposition somewhere on the Thelema Lodge Calendar site.
The link just above goes to the first installment of my "An Abramelin
Ramble". Those installments are within html'd issues of the Thelema Lodge
Calendar. Each installment has links at the bottom that take you to the
next or the previous installment, as you like. If you would rather just
skip the other material and go to the installments dealing with Abramelin
squares, that starts here (VIIth installment):
and continues to the VIIth installment in the next TLC issue after that.
There are a few more examples in the IXth installment.
N.B. I intend to re-vamp my website, starting sometime this Fall. The
URL's (link addresses) to individual Thelema Lodge Calendars and TLC
articles will not change. I'll be moving the general access table for back
issues of the TLC to a separate page and will also revise and improve
access to the other material on the site. The old link to the home page
will work, but it will access a general content page linking to the older
pages. The Hebrew Gematria dictionary, Magical Correspondences page and my
other writings will be more easily located. I'll later add more material
and divide up the larger items to content pages and smaller individual
pages. More index pages will gradually be added as well.
Depending on obtaining permissions and general interest, I may be
adding more illustrations and original document scans. That would likely
be handled for the old TLC issues by adding links to facsimile scans of
some documents otherwise just provided in transcript and perhaps some color
art where only black and white art appeared in the original, paper edition.
For my own writings in and out of the TLC, I may add some graphics as well
(from the original slide lectures that formed the basis of many of the
articles) -- I'll annotate to indicate those which did not appear at all in
original TLC printed issues.
Eventually, the old OTO Newsletter and issues of the Magic(k)al Link up
to some point in 1985 e.v. will probably be added, along with many texts of
Crowley works. I have tentative permission for doing that, but some
details need to be worked out.
Lots more planned, including more original writing; but this won't
happen over-night. :-)