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#> I received communication from them at one
#> point (because I'd archived Magee's materials)
#> indicating that the split wasn't convivial or at
#> least that there was some dispute surrounding
#> questions of authority and lineage and how this
#> was or was not transmitted properly to Thelemites
#> -- even that Thelemites might be operating,
#> as it were, 'without warrants'.
# Interesting that one can have their "Thelemite"
# status "warranted."
sorry if I was at all unclear. it wasn't the
*Thelemite* status that was called unwarranted,
but the willingness to step into the authority
of *other currents* and pretend to genius and
social applomb which was never earned (in this
case within the Nath streams of 'tantra'; note
that I didn't attempt to evaluate any of it).
# 'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law,'
the Beast had "Law", presumably for a reason.
# just make sure ya pay fer yer permit. Give yor
# money to tha lady in the Trailer at that front
# of the Park ...the one that has the sign on tha
# door that sez: Orifice.
hey, if you're gonna wear a funny hat, there
is some sense in paying the originals for the
privilege. too many orientalists put on a show,
too many "artists" mimic the past and want
credit for their plagiarism.
#> there are many who claim that Thelema is
#> either not a religion or is so interfaith
#> as to be capable of fusing all varieties
#> to a single eclectic strand. discussion on
#> how Thelema relates to religion and what
#> religions are compatible with it are
#> strongly encouraged within this forum.
# Do we have to do so in the context of Crowley
when you're waving Bad Boy banners and he's the
best you can 'recognize' as quality, perhaps he
will become a bridge to better taste. choose
your poisons. every generation has its wasted
tendrils to the power of the ancients.
# and under the pretense that Crowley 'invented'
writers popularize. this is the legacy of those
such as ACrowley, RAWilson, and PCarroll.
# and that The Book of the Law is the defining
# work concerning Thelema?
how can fake poetic scraps of communications
be 'defining' of anything other than religion?
it didn't really work for Lao or Muhammad. all
the same, cults formed in their wake. did these
cults demonstrate the principles they touted?
# ...Or can we discuss the Rabelaisian Weave
# which has had far more cultural impact than
# Crowley ever did or ever will?
please forgive my ignorance. did the Rabelais
guy have anything but contempt for targets of
his "Abbe Theleme"? do you pretend that his
flag ship was flying the Phallos Standard?
is this 'Dueling Authors'? what rating method?
# If the latter, then one can say that it is
# the antinomian and individualistic "spiritual"
# impulse in opposition to the declaration of
# religious authority by those who go around
# "warranting" activity and enforcing it with
# the secular power.
the spiritual is real but misunderstood as some
new fluid or dimension, when in fact it is the
subjective state projected for elitist knowledge.
the warranting is demonstrated valuable insofar
as societal influence and responsibility follow
its meritorious undergirding. peacock waifs,
fluffing their hair and talking to gods, don
the costumes of social involvement while
denouncing society and engaging misanthropy.
juvenile antics do have their place, yes, but
it isn't in the preservation of real culture.
# Rabelais Club where the great literary figures
# of the 19th century helped to bring humanistic
# philosophy to bear against religious domination
# and persecution.
isms spouting philosophies are one more religion
masquerading as a salvific powerhouse.
# (And when I use the word Humanism, I am not
# referring to some left-wing hippy flower
# power notion,
there is one? at least the left-wing hippy
flower-power seeks to be nature-based and
liberative. anthropocentrism is very ugly.
# but to the discovery that "god" is just
# a projection or phantasm of human qualifiers:
# Deus est homo and all of that ...or I should
# say: Homey is payin' dues.)
so instead of humbly withdrawing from estimating
the deific, it makes more sense to put on masks
of omnipotence, omniscience, and cosmocraters,
and pretend to immortality whilst denying all
of the cosmologies that used to explain these?
# You've got to pay your dues if you want to
# sing the blues and you know it don't come easy.
tell that to WC Handy and barbershop quartets.
# You don't have to shout or leap about.
# You can even play them easy.
the Hard-Workin' Man is the tale of slavedrivers.
# If not, the only religion that Thelema can actually
# have historical relations to is Christianity since
# it finds its origins in the New Testament
not demonstrated. jumping into a Herd and shouting
"Follow me!" can't be all that difficult. fancy
words and broadened lexicons may wow and impress.
if one is of the Proper Class and Worth one's work
may receive the Right Emphasis and become Classic.
does this make it somehow genius? or is genius more
a product of the Herd which carries it on its
proverbial shoulders? is persuasion = liberation?
# ...so this would mean that Crowley and the Book of
# the Law is just more of the same stuff that humans
# have been enduring for "aeons."
his Hook, Line, Bob, and Sinker is the language
perpetuated by his meme-drones, helpfully stipulating
that his text is "the Book of the Law" just alike to
LaVey's smirking "the Satanic Bible". charade floats.
# ...the majority of "thelemites" I've observed don't
# get his schtick
doesn't his anti-Judaism somewhat prevent him from
truly having a "schtick"? what a putz?
# since they are so busy trying to wear enochian
# tablets as bibs and come up with the 'absolutely
# correct' 'thelemic' system of gematria
people tend to cut their teeth on something.
far better to do so on wastes of time without
serious repercussion than to perpetuate the
idiocies of global domination, procreation,
and the perpetuation of legends and lies as
history (such as may be found in Christianity).
# ...Still, I think he was more laughing 'at
# them' than 'with them.'
hopeful. if so, he wasn't laughing hard enough
to differentiate himself from those whom he
criticized as subverting fools for gain. 'the
Slaves shall serve', after all. sufficient
intensity of support for the Method of Religion
makes of one proclaiming the Method of Science
a classic hypocrite and deceiver of men.
the silence surrounding the subject of thelema,
of will, is in part a reflection of the loudness
of the Cult of Crowleyanity, turning values upon
their heads and identifying reprobates as icons
of virtue and wonder. if the result of one's
activities is confusion and ignorant silence,
how valuable is the source of this malignance?
sacred vermin maybe. the question might become
whether a Rectification of Names is in order,
and those manipulating propaganda to serve
their selfish and tribal interests have
any value for sentent beings as a whole. is
one who cancels himself out the True Hero?