... Anyone who wastes substantial amount of time is playing in a small sandbox. Color me strange, but I d much rather play in the broader world - and thatMessage 1 of 70 , May 1, 2004View SourceOn Thu, 29 Apr 2004, Alex Bennett wrote:
> It was commented at a recent Thelemite conference I attended, the lack ofAnyone who wastes substantial amount of time is playing in a small
> serious Thelemite women on the 'scene'.
Color me strange, but I'd much rather play in the broader world - and that
means I don't waste time playing around with people who hate themselves,
have their world, and want so desperately to be important in mediocrity
it's not funny.
>I have met several extremely wilfulThe problem is you're wasting your time in the ghetto. If you want to
> Thelemite women in my time and am less sure that they are there, more
> whether they can be arsed with the pontificating of such conferences.
> Perhaps the whole problem is that we are gearing up the 'scene' with
> Victorian attitudes about what we should be doing?
find people doing their will, don't waste your time with Thelemites.
> IThat's nice. You'll fight. We'll see.
> have, nor will ever swear an allegiance to what is essentially a
> crypto-Christian organisation, god, Jung was a member of a brother
> organisation and he was a fucking Jesus fascist.
> Death to impotent useless freemasonry!The tools work. Blame the impotence of the operator.
> That old aeon ego will never get through, the Nu-Grail willAnd this problem with said arrogance is shining bright back in your
> shred it. This is the problem of the arrogance of the opinionisation of
mirror. There's no need for a lantern up on your adept mountain when you
can just stare at yourself and be blinded by pseudo-science.
> Then there is the ignorance of what a Thelemite is.I could care less what one is. I'd rather enjoy my life than dance and
sing and play yet more games surrounding terminology.
It doesn't enrich my life, or the lives of those around me.
> Those who are revolted by Thelema, in ANYHate under any creed doesn't bode well for the integrity of the operator
> way, should simply fuck off! You are nor have you ever been welcome here!
> Week willed morons trying to put back together the past or reinvent Thelema
> in a politically nicer way, tame it down or change it to a less radical
> movement, are just a thorn in our side.
or adherent to said creed. Hate in the name of Thelema doesn't accomplish
> They should go back to beingI'd rather go back to being a person.
> kabbalists, freemasons, backward pagans and boring occultists.
I'll be measured by how I impact my world, and nothing else.
When I'm dead, no one will remember how many bad flame wars I've been in,
or how many spirits I've raised or any of this self-righteous silliness.
> To be a Thelemite AND a woman seems to be less prone to these failures.Idealizing the ostensible glory of the Thelemic woman is another whitewash
of the Victorian ideal: put the New Aeon cunt on a pedestal and it won't
stink then either.
> She had several more death threats that Crowley did. A list was preparedI could care less. I'm living my life, thanks. I don't need standard
> (not by me or anyone I know) and I was wondering if people had any comments
> on it www.greaterthelema.org/sistersofwill/sow/00000006.htm. Some true, are
> not Thelemites at all, but others most definitely are, check them out.
bearers or worshippers or a call to arms to bring meaning to my own
And that's sadly what this is - another attempt to create difference
between the alleged grand world of Thelema and the world outside of it.
It's scapegoat all over again, and the grandest irony of it all is the
focus on berating the old ....
.... but the basis for the faux outrage, pathetic loathing, and chest
thumping is nothing more than the most basic, ancient, 'of the old times':
50040508 vii KALI DAY sekhmet20002000: # ...I am sick fed up of males doing the old boys network thing # which seems to prevail in Thelema just as it doesMessage 70 of 70 , May 8, 2004View Source50040508 vii KALI DAY
#> ...I am sick fed up of males doing the old boys network thing
#> which seems to prevail in Thelema just as it does everywhere else.
isn't it troubling? the machinations of those with whom
we are not allied?
#> Especially in the OTO,
is the OTO Thelemic, or 'in Thelema'? who says? what gives you
(or anyone else for that matter) the impression that it is?
did they get some kind of Seal of Approval from AEWaite or
the Goldawnians? wait, they're some germano-pseudo-tantric
order, with visions of Wandering Bishops dancing in their
heads, aren't they?
#> who is worthy to be Caliph etc. who are they
#> to say who is worthy?
the upper echelon of Standard-Bearing Thelemic orders
are servants, primarily, and are not so much 'worthy' as
in the right social position at the right time. in
exchange for service they are made available the social
mechanism of the order to assist their development,
but the investment of authority or power only obtains
*within* the social framework, and those outside it who
for some reason believe that the projections of mages
are the realities of their own universe constrain
themselves to very limited views and doom themselves
can you believe it?
#> I was told a long time ago by someone in the OTO that I didn't
#> need it and the more I hear and see the more I agree with this
needing it is only one motivation for being involved in it. there
are sufficient tempting baubles tossed about in the halls of the
Thelemic and greater occult community, but these may be found in
most esoteric communities associated with the societies that be,
whether in the palaces of Rome or the hovels of the Heathens.
Super Secret Sex MagicK Formulas, Magestic Universal Medicines
purporting to be One More Cosmic Panacea are the usual Snake Oils
peddled by OTO flunkies and their predecessors. do you *need* to
be immortal or wield the power of the universe as a real mage?
#> Belonging to an organisation only serves the attachment needs
#> of the ego
I've been speaking with numerous interested in Buddhism of late,
and there appears to be a common perception that attachment is a
stand-in for the 'suffering' (dukkha) about which the figure of
Gautama Buddha is said to have prescribed (a kind of witchdoctor).
in this manner Buddhist ascetics convince their comrades that
desire is bad, that the ego must be pushed aside or destroyed,
and that the individual must be subsumed to the motivations and
aims of the Herd in order to reap the described fabulous reward.
as many religions grow and develop they seem to employ the tool
of demonization in their doctrines more and more forcefully in
order to secure membership, and gather together a cult in the
wake of the masters devising said doctrines. even when the Herd
fights and revolutionizes itself, the master-images are left
securely-intact and worshipped, regardless of their blemishes.
in the religious community of Thelema this appears to be
no different. the ego is supposedly connected with "lower"
spiritual status and lesser power and authority. strength of
will is either dismissed as a runaway Id or the inspiration
of a powerful Herd behind the magician. the individual isn't
afforded the benefit of the doubt as residing within a magic
Current unless they have followers; unless they somehow have
been able to secure a social network, hierarchy of adulators,
or risen to prominence within some structure whereby they
have survived the scrutiny of their "peers" (i.e. ordeals and
the hazing, hamstringing debilitations they usually include).
on the one hand we have the attachment to a 'mother org', such
as is often promoted by churches, which facilitates personal
growth and development within the fold. on the other, we have
an interest in using the organization and its resources for
an exploited advance by those whose relation is questionably
valuable on the whole. whether the ego is important to ditch,
especially given its imperative role in will, is an essential
point of contention. for those interested in Herd membership,
ego-destruction and transcendance is surely very important.
#> so that one feels part of something and can back it
#> up by ego massaging each other.
and I guess you don't think that this is a good idea. what
alternatives would you suggest for the construction of a
civil community? a loose confraternity of hip individuals
without a care for one another beyond the day and the surf?
#> All this is the BOTL real etc blah, blah.
that the manifest universe is real is obvious. that a book
with the name is real is obvious. that the book derives
from some extraspecial origin and has therefore a special
meaning for the NU Prophets of the Aeon is doubtful.
#> I know when I do my Will everything is bloody perfect
#> in my life
is that what doing your Will yields? things somehow become
"perfect"? this is the old "success in the world supports
one's right relation with God" argument. what about Job?
#> and I don't need any more proof than that Jesus and
Jesus I can see is dead. long live the Christ Formula!
#> Christianity is dead as are all the other old
#> stifling systems. Crapulous creeds indeed. Sekhmet
what evidence do you have that these things, given their
superior power and status to the 'Thelemic' (Horusian?)
upstarts, have died? usually people point to hollowness
and hypocrisy in the ranks of the dying and bypassed.
maybe you think that the New Vietnam Iraqi Crusades are
part of the Ra Hoor Victory Dance or that the RCatholic
pederasty charges are going to Bring the Pontif Down,
where Leo Taxil and his Satanic Revue (Review) failed?
# ...I have seen this exact same idiocy going on too.
# It reminds me of just more of the same born again,
# Christian Sect arguements, and of all places for it
# to emanate from the OTO.
so is Thelema a religion too, like Christianity? is it
in fact an Xtain cult out of control, the madman Beast
setting in motion a Revelation of such Notoriety that
it will never recover from its self-indulgence and come
to see its own old-aeon hypocrisy?
# It is exactly what you said above here, MORE OF THE
# SAME ATTACHMENT NEED OF THE GRAND EGO, [GRIPPING]
# ITS CLAW.
so attachment is bad, ego is bad, Jeezuz and Xtainanity
is dead dead dead, and now we should all go kneel at the
New Incarnation of the ICThYSian splendour? perhaps you
don't understand how thoroughly you've been conditioned
to carry on the memes?
what is "<insert old name of old-regime-that-never-ever-
to-swear-how-bad-and-rotten-it-really-was here>" going
to call itself in the NU Aeon so that we can be sure to
identify it and how we are not that any more? will we be
able to really tie it to something, like destruction of
individualism? demonization of egotism? denunciation of
true loyalty and the social framework that allows groups
to *compete* with it?
it's fun to dance on the grave of just-passed gods. too
bad the powers that be just change the names around and we
never really get anywhere, dancing to little Slave songs.
hundreds of years from now they'll be doing the same thing
and using different names to refer to the same social
agents and dynamics, nothing learnt, only the exploiters
any better off and little at that.
# If anything you would think they would just say, ah,
# it isn't really me, just acting. But it is no act.
# AC was adept at the act, knowing how to pop an ego,
# just by a posture. But the buffoonery I see going on
# is no act.
very true, it is sad. maybe if we weren't all so hung
up posturing and being right we wouldn't have to put
on faces and making people wrong, falling into the
program of serving the same Slavemasters that the
Slaves always serve, certain of our valour and value.