[please note the formatting -- moderator] ... 93, The Persian/Sumerian/Asyrian tradition as it meanders through modern Thelema is well related atMessage 1 of 43 , Mar 3, 2004View Source[please note the formatting -- moderator]
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Viktor" <thelema@n...> wrote:
> We all know that AL is received in Egypt, and therefore the
> doctrine exposed in it is predominantly Egyptian, and Aiwass's
> figure, who is the Messenger, is not of Egyptian origin, but of
> Persian/Sumerian (I'm not quite sure), as Crowley claims. How is it
> If Aiwass is ultraterrestrial, why he chose exactly this and not
> other type of human race for his guise?
> And, are any traces of Persian/Sumerian/Asyrian tradition in the AL
The Persian/Sumerian/Asyrian tradition as it meanders through
modern Thelema is well related at http://www.antiqillum.com
To the best of my knowledge one of the other groups that is nested
in our modern traditions that had "contact" through magickal means is
the Hermetic Brotherhood of Light. I belive, but do not have any
sources, that their contacts were often persian/arabic/post-sumerian
> If Aiwass is ultraterrestrial, why he chose exactly this and not
other type of human race for his guise?
Unless we figure Aiwass omnipotent, why grant him the ability to
choose a "type" to manifest?
If we stay within the context of John Keel's reports on the strange
asian/persian MIB's in VA during the 60's and the Mothman situation.
A interesting note is that they defy any "human" classification of
racial-type. This points to the ultraterrestrial nature of these
contacts, they are some entity that shares this same time/space in a
variety of ways. They are not from far out in space but are from
earth and co-exist with us and are tied together with our evolution.
This line of borderland thinking would apply to Aiwass who is a
minister of Hoor-pa-Kratt, making him an ultraterrestrial of the
earth and not from outer space. Horus is a higher consciousness that
resides here and is concerned with earth. Horus may have a
consciousness of the other suns and sun gods that exist in the far
reaches of space. Aiwass especially as the minister to the earth form
the sun, can be considered a local ultraterrestrail.
These ideas have gone out of fashion for some time. A group of
ultraterrestrail earth beings, a secret brotherhood, was established
to elevate mankind from his base elements.
The multi-dimensional consciousness of this inner-earth brotherhood
is almost impossible for most 3-D rational humans to accept.
Certain conditions of adeptship must be attained that grant a
controlled glimpse into the other dimesions and interact with their
dwellers. A certain self-consciousness of the eternal self that
transcends death and an association with its will is required. But
this is mere speculation.
My best excuse for failure to contact thus far is that I cannot
generate the required energy to orthorotate into the next dimension.
I know it can happen with chemical assistance, but then it is
accompanied by many side-effects.
The best examples of contact I have heard did involve a persian
type entity, chemicals were involved, and the entity seemed to choose
to make an appearence with some "news" and "direction". The many
years that have followed after the initial report have yeilding an
amazing amount of interesting research along lines that had been
lost, ignored, or buried.
The most important thing is not to lose sight that the emphesis is
still on the individual attainment of self-consciousness. The contact
does not make you an adept, being an adept enables you to make the
contact. Crowley was not dramatically changed, he merely was
acknowledged who he was by nature. He had spent a few years preparing
in the trenches with the Ceremonial Magick of Bennet and the GD.
50040429 om VII I m slowly catching up. sorry for the delay. Massimo: # Right! The Book of the Law is dead, long live The Book of Desolation! # But afterMessage 43 of 43 , Apr 29, 2004View Source50040429 om VII I'm slowly catching up. sorry for the delay.
#> Right! The Book of the Law is dead, long live The Book of Desolation!
#> But after all, believing Amado would just mean substituting one Prophet for
so if a Book is 'alive' this means there are countless Thelemite slaves
swearing fealty to its content and authors/transmitters, stating abjectly
that they "accept" the thing? visions of Star Wars. interesting vision.
# It is really kind of strange to think that "Thelema" needs a prophet
as part of the Religions of the Book, this *is* traditional. heh, the
last cult that tried it even tried installed a Final Prophet (rasul)
status to keep the meme-production from continuing beyond it. the
damn thing just grew heads and sprouted up in other places.
# or that anyone could think that "Crowleyanity" is anything more than
# a broken monkey-god mask, and not a very good one at that.
the whole 'good/bad' moral measurement device is broken, you see, with
the discarding of the Aeonic Metric Equipment. now we can't tell if
"good" is Bad or "bad" is Good. the Master Therion was a Bad Boy, but this
makes him a Good Guy to listen to, since all the Bad Guys established
the Old Aeon institutions and establishments. not many understand these
things, and they can hardly be expected to, as the Aeon changes over.
plus most of it is fabrication to make people feel better about themselves.
# At least I claim to have seen better.
so you've got a line on improvements for the New Aeon. good for you.
# If it really is all about coming to know one's true Self,
that's the line. of course nobody established that such a Self(!) is
real or exists -- and they can't really be expected to, given that
its ontological status is questionable to say the least.
# and to ponder the mystery of one's own incarnation in all of
the whole idea of inhabiting meat-bodies ("incarnation") is ludicrous.
# then the idea of claiming someone else's spiritual heritage is really
# ridiculous. Isn't this the problem with religions like Christianity,
# Islam etc...?
it is *part* of them, in their echo, after Crowley's Plymouth Brethren.
# Why replace one artificial image with another and think that it is
# any more valid than anything else?
the religious believe these things *literally* O My Chosen!
# The best parts of Crowley's work resonate with a teaching that has
# been carried since way before Crowley as well as after. It is the
# idea of employing one's own imagery,
it wasn't Crowley's idea, even if he did employ it to his purpose.
# and process of synthesis from the information in the world around
# us rather than accepting the limitations of the status quo.
check out the Anabaptists, Quakers, and any number of Unitarians.
# Its about learning to program ourselves rather than being
# programmed by someone else. ..Timothy Leary said that, and
# he was right.
without harkening back to the past, we have nothing to present in
terms of connection to the masses, O My Chosen!
# Yet it is the worst of Crowley's (or Leary's or insert any name
# here) examples and teachings that are the easiest to grasp onto
# since they can be used to justify our own limitations.
fault someone for not picking and choosing what they like and when
they do, it just happens to be some portion of the Enslavement-Program.
make up your mind. if people want to program themselves to be Slaves,
why are you upset with them for so doing? that it is not 'Thelemic'
is debatable (what if it is their (true!) will to be enslaved?).
the problem is that self-programming is self-debilitative given the
general product of human cultural indoctrination. wilthout some kind
of liberative initiation, the Slaves shall serve even if you hand
them the keys to their own control mechanisms. don't make the facile
mistake of thinking that this only obtains outside of the 'Thelemic'
cult, either. the hierarchies of Thelema rest atop firm self-Slavery.