Stone Mirror suggests I have have my termonology confused. lol.
I suggest that he might find a different school. I've always said
that Satori is not an intellectual excerise - and it involves more
than an appreciation of a few koans. Whilst there is much mental
preparation involved, the actual experience of Satori is beyond mind
whilst encompassing it and everything else.
Why all this talk of satori, not only is your terminology confused
but you are talking about stuff you can't talk about. Attainment of
the Holy Guardian Angel thank you very much if I wanted to study Zen
I would be in that group. As for the Is-piss-&-miss We will say but
cannot utter for we are engulfed in a golden shower of ecstasy!
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org
> There are no OTO's in my area, and I'm too busy in any case to run
> errands for armchair theologans.
> I suggest that the attainment of the grade Ipsissimus and the
> experience may be one and the same from comparing Crowley's
> with my own experience of such. Without further knowledge of the
> order I cannot come to a definiative conclusion.
> Stone Mirror suggests I have have my termonology confused. lol.
> I suggest that he might find a different school. I've always said
> that Satori is not an intellectual excerise - and it involves more
> than an appreciation of a few koans. Whilst there is much mental
> preparation involved, the actual experience of Satori is beyond
> whilst encompassing it and everything else.
> Small wonder then that the masters get out there sticks for the
> student that errs in thinking that they've `got it' every week;)
> Jane *beats Stone Mirror savegly about the buttocks!*
> I combined the teachings of three schools to attain Satori. It's
> the labels or the language that's important. A simpleton has a
> advantage over you. You have some unlearning to do.
> I think it was Chris Titan that suggested that masters still
> here are "failures." Chris - time is nothing and a natural death
> nothing sacrificed. I'd add that Satori does not perfect a person
> any of that rubbish. I think it's an excellent way to really start
> out on the road home, but a person who has experienced Satori still
> fart's in inappropriate places and is prone to all the usual human
> failings that people always have.
> After a Satori experience you have people running around thinking
> they are in some way `priviliaged' or `meant' to guide the rest.
> It's all very silly, but they set up thier own `cults' and foster
> thier own schools. You're right in that way. They're liars - to
> themselves. Dangerous to the rest. Ego inflation. They even try
> act the part of a `perfected being'. Lol.
> If they can get past this inevitable part then they may be in a
> position to guide others to Satori. That's nothing to sneeze at.
> At the end of the day they still have a long journey ahead of them.
> ** Ziggy played for time, jiving us that we were vodou **
> --- In email@example.com, Robert Furtkamp
> <reverendrob@r...> wrote:
> > On Sat, 29 Nov 2003, shapeshifter202 wrote:
> > > Is the Grade Ipsissimus attained by experiencing Satori?
> > >
> > > Another one:-
> > >
> > > In what area/s of knowledge or understanding would an
> > > if they attained that grade only.
> > Report back to us when you've discovered these things from first-
> > observation.