thanks Michael... any other cello players or tenor players who do a lot of lead/scales out there? ~Skip ...Message 1 of 12 , May 1, 2003View Sourcethanks Michael...
any other cello players or tenor players who do a lot of lead/scales out
>Skip,Unfortunately, I don't have the answer to your question. I'm just_________________________________________________________________
>writing to say...I hope someone knows, because I've been at a tenor plateau
>for many years and would love to learn an easier way to produce
>scales/licks.I note the same limitation when it comes to the Irish
>Bazouki...too much spread for too many notes without enough fingers.Michael
>Skip M <skipman58@...> wrote:Hi,
>I'm another new addition to the list...
>I recently acquired a National tenor tricone which I am attempting to
>based on some knowledge from my mandolin playing. I tried a GDAE tuning,
>liked the tone of the original CGDA tuning bettern and I may try a CGDG
>tuning similar to GDAD tuning I use on a zouk I have. One of my basic
>questions is - how do tenor players handle scales and things like
>pentatonics and arpeggios? I'm spoiled on the mandolin where you can play
>closed position scales and just move them around to play in different keys
>(as some of my bluegrass friends do quite often...) How do tenor players
>overcome not being able to play closed position scales?
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... whilst you ... his ... Now we re getting away from tenor guitar scales but I guess that s alright. Jerry contacted me a while back about my guitars- theMessage 1 of 12 , May 6, 2003View Source--- In email@example.com, rorydafoe
> Steve-whilst you
> OK- now I am really jealous.
> When you have recovered, please do fill us in.
> Coincidentally, I was just practicing adapting Jerry riffs onto
> GDAD 'tenor' along to the Weiser reunion CD this weekend,
> were basking in the true light. I'd be interested to hear abouthis
> style, approach & anything else!Now we're getting away from tenor guitar scales but I guess
Jerry contacted me a while back about my guitars- the
description seemed to fit what he looks for in a tenor. I sent him
one to check out. It's my least favorite of the ones I've made, but
he said it's the best guitar he's ever played and we came up with
the idea for the Jerry Thomasson Signature Series tenor. Actually
his son did, but that's another story. I finished the first (and
another fanned-fret tenor) just in time to meet him at Merlefest in
North Carolina where his daughter Terry and son-in-law Jeff
Pinkham had a booth for the lovely mandolins he deals. Jeff is a
great bluegrass mandolin player, and Jerry's 13 year old
grandson is fantastic in the mando- somebody to watch out for.
So we hung out, played tunes and hawked instruments all
weekend. Lots of their friends dropped by- mandolin monster
Mike Marshall ( who sounded great on a GDAE tuned tenor
playing a memorable "Wayfaring Stranger"), Jim Lauderdale who
Jerry performed with, fiddler Barbara Lamb and all sorts of folks.
I'm trying to update my website with more info about the guitar
but am having some computer problems here- I'll post pictures
as soon as I can get 'em up.
His playing style is really cool but his chord voicings are much
different than mine. He primarily uses closed chords- lots of
barred ones with the other fingers dancing around, a lot of
swing-style progressions, along with inversions of more basic
chords. I think. Didn't always decipher just where he was going,
but we blended together nicely. I played the new fanned-fret tenor
tuned GDAE (which, incidentally, is for sale) or mandolin, using
alternating bass a lot or Jethro Burns style three note chords. He
plays a lot- hardly saw him without an instrument all weekend.
He's familiar with tenorguitar.com and I've bugged him to join
the registry discussions, but apparently he has some of his own
computer problems to get straight before he can get a lot of stuff
working right. We'll probably hear from him sometime here.
Hope I'm not bragging about my own work too much but you
asked, Rory. Thanks.
Steve- Thanks for the update. Mike Marshall to boot- yikes!Do you think theres any chance we ll ever see some instructional material from Jerry? Do you know ifMessage 1 of 12 , May 6, 2003View SourceSteve-
Thanks for the update. Mike Marshall to boot- yikes!Do you think
theres any chance we'll ever see some instructional material from
Jerry? Do you know if he does lessons anywhere?
Oh and strictly out of curiosity, how much you asking for that fanned
Sounds like an awesome weekend, wish I could've been there. Jerry
didnt mention if he was going to Weiser did he??
Thanks for the report.
... think ... from ... fanned ... Jerry ... Sorry I keep taking so long to reply. As far as I know Jerry doesn t have any instructional material out, thoughMessage 1 of 12 , May 12, 2003View Source--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, rorydafoe
> Thanks for the update. Mike Marshall to boot- yikes!Do you
> theres any chance we'll ever see some instructional materialfrom
> Jerry? Do you know if he does lessons anywhere?fanned
> Oh and strictly out of curiosity, how much you asking for that
> fret tenor?Jerry
> Sounds like an awesome weekend, wish I could've been there.
> didnt mention if he was going to Weiser did he??Sorry I keep taking so long to reply. As far as I know Jerry doesn't
> Thanks for the report.
have any instructional material out, though he's happy to show
folks stuff- used to work at Mark O'Connor's Fiddle camp. We
could definetly use a book from him. We talked about Weiser- he
said he hasn't been there since his dad died, I believe in '84. I
posted a couple of snapshots here from Merlefest- one with his
new guitar, and another of him onstage Sunday with Jim
I'm asking an even $2000 for the new fanned fret tenor, case
included. It has a bearclaw sitka top, Wenge back and sides with
a curly maple wedge on the back, plastic binding and a nice
peghead inlay. It's set up for GDAE tuning, and an undersaddle
transducer could be easily installed. I also posted a photo of it.
It's obvious nobody at the TGR has tried any of my instruments,
especially the fanned fret ones. If anybody is interested in
checking this one out ( the only one currently in stock) we might
be able to make arrangements to split shipping costs or
something, especially if you might be even vaguely considering
Maybe this has been discussed before, but what are the advantages of having fanned frets, other than an unique looking guitar? Also, what does the extremeMessage 1 of 12 , May 12, 2003View SourceMaybe this has been discussed before, but what are the advantages of
having fanned frets, other than an unique looking guitar? Also, what
does the extreme slant of the bridge do for tuning?
... advantages of ... what ... Yup, it was discussed when I posted pictures of my first fanned-fret instrument. Here s a copy of message 4172 (I think)Message 1 of 12 , May 13, 2003View Source--- In email@example.com, "jaspaul776"
> Maybe this has been discussed before, but what are theadvantages of
> having fanned frets, other than an unique looking guitar? Also,what
> does the extreme slant of the bridge do for tuning?Yup, it was discussed when I posted pictures of my first
fanned-fret instrument. Here's a copy of message 4172 (I think)
"Tenor guitars usually have problems with a scale length vs
tuning issue (primarily CGDA tuning). They're too long for the D
and A strings, but you want some length for the bass strings.
Every tenor player I know carries plenty of spare A strings
because the tension is so high; and/or they obsess about their
gauges just to keep breakage down. This is not a good sign and
I thought it was worth addressing. So... I shortened the treble
strings. It's actually a patented, well established (though still
fairly rare) process, particularly good for instruments tuned in
I checked around a lot before trying it and everyone said the
instruments made this way are easier to play. "Transparent" is
the word most commonly used, and I think it's accurate. The
angle doesn't get in the way when playing- it just looks like it
should. It's an amazingly fun instrument to play- the scale is
short where it should be and longer where it should be."
Here's also a comment by Steve Pyott:
An explanation for this Novax Fanned Fret system is provided
here by someone closely involved with its inventor, Ralph Novak:
The first one worked so well I decided to try it on one set up for
GDAE tuning. The improvement isn't as drastic- I think the scale
length fits the lower tuning more easily- but it's still very nice and
lots of fun to play. It's not a gimmic- honest. You get used to it
very quickly to where instruments with parallel frets look strange.
I guess I've been around them enough now that it's a surprise
when people react strongly to it.
Steve- No apologies necessary. Thanks for the reply and pics. I m curious- on the fanned fret you posted- what is the bass string scale length and what is theMessage 1 of 12 , May 13, 2003View SourceSteve-
No apologies necessary. Thanks for the reply and pics.
I'm curious- on the fanned fret you posted- what is the bass string
scale length and what is the treble string scale length? Also, in
GDAE it is set up in, what are the gauges you are using (thats right-
obsessing on string gauges- after all- I only buy 72 string sets at a
time...!). My guitar is 24" scale in GDAD, so I'm wondering where
this thing sits relative to that rather boring, even scale length.
Your offer of split shipping for a test drive is very generous and
almost too tempting! If you have them, please send some more detail
pics to me direct at rorydafoe@... I've got hi speed, so big
pics are OK. Sound files, if you have 'em would be nice too.
Congrats again on the great work & hooking up with Jerry!!
Let s see- scale length is the same as the last one with slightly different compensation: 22 9/16 bass and 21 1/2 treble. We ve all been over gauges a lot,Message 1 of 12 , May 14, 2003View SourceLet's see- scale length is the same as the last one with slightly
different compensation: 22 9/16 bass and 21 1/2" treble. We've
all been over gauges a lot, and I think mine tend to be just a bit
heavier than lots of folks here. G- .042, D- .034, A- .022, E- .014.
Actually, at the moment the E has an .015 on it but I might go
There are a few more photos- I'll send something today or
tomorrow. Don't have any sound files, though my favorite
recording engineer Joe Bass will be setting up a temporary
studio in town soon and I may grab a bit of time there.
Speaking of which--(yet another commercial pitch coming)-- Our
band- Parks, Driver and Bass just released a full length cd titled
"Blue Ghosts and Yodel Croaks". I play mandolin on most of it
but there are several cuts with GDAE tuned tenor guitar. It's
mostly old blues and swing material, or originals that sound that
way. Joe was talking about posting some mp3s somewhere but
I don't know how that's coming.