> From: Brian E. Wilson <brian@...>
> To: Synoptic-L@...
> Subject: [Synoptic-L] Scrolls of Paul's letters or synoptic gospels?
> Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:46 PM
> >Your dates do not seem credible. It is hardly likely that the theology
> >of early Christianity was already fully formed by 39. Sorry, but I have
> >problems consdering this as serious historical scholarship.
> The date c.AD 36/37 for the beginning of the mission to the Greek-
> speaking Gentiles at Antioch in Syria is not my estimate only, but that
> of Erhardt, Luedemann, Stanton and others. Similarly, the date for the
> coming of Paul to help Barnabas at Antioch of c.AD. 39/40 was their
> estimate, not merely mine. You can look at the evidence they adduce as
> well I can. I am surprised you even suggest that these are not the
> result of serious historical scholarship. If your historical scholarship
> is so wonderfully superior to the serious historical scholarship of the
> world-famous scholars to which I refer above, perhaps you would give us
> the benefit of your own findings on this topic?
I'm of course not disputing AD 36/37 for the beginning of the mission to
the Greek-speaking Gentiles at Antioch in Syria. What I'm disputing is that
the theology of early Christianity was already fully formed by AD 36/37.
> On my Greek Notes Hypothesis, a possible historical setting for the
> production of the Greek Notes was precisely between the two events, the
> beginning of Greek-speaking Gentile Christianity and the coming of Paul
> to help Baranabas at Antioch. I make absolutely no mention whatsoever of
> the state of "early Christian theology" at this time. Equally, I make
> absolutely no claim whatsoever that the theology of the writers of the
> synoptic gospels was determined by the Greek Notes. According to my
> hypothesis, each synoptist independently ***edited*** the selection of
> material he took from the Greek Notes. Clearly this would not have been
> around AD 38, but at later times when the synoptists actually wrote
> their gospels. Any later theological emphasis of any synoptist was
> supplied by the synoptist as he later independently edited the material
> he selected from the Greek Notes. Each synoptist was a free author.
So in this case your theory does not appear to give us much to go on...
> If my GNH is what happened, the "theology" apparent in the Greek Notes
> was not the later theology of the Gospel of Matthew, nor the later
> theology of the Gospel of Mark, nor the later theology of the Gospel of
> Luke. It was the theology of the very earliest Greek-speaking Gentile
> "Christians" at Antioch in Syria in about AD 38, whatever theology that
> may have been.
So, in other words, you don't know what it had been?
> And they must have had some theology, and it must have
> been in some sense "Christian", as I am sure you would agree. So I see
> no historical problem here at all.
> Perhaps, Yuri, you would like to tell us what you think happened at
> Antioch in Syria at the beginning of the Greek-speaking Gentile
> Christian movement, giving your reasons?
These problems are analysed in some detail on my webpage, starting with
"The true role of Paul in Christian history",
In my view, all early Christianity, including those early Hellenist
refugees from Jerusalem, was Jewish, or Ebionite quartodeciman. Paul
received his doctrine from them. Much later he came up with some
innovations, but they were not really so drastic. I doubt they had any
special gospel at that early stage, besides the Jewish Scriptures.
I accept the thesis of Goulder that the earliest gospels were all
liturgically based. Christian liturgy developed gradually over the years,
and eventually it acquired a form of the first gospel.
So early Christian liturgical materials are the closest thing that I see to
your Notebook. But all this happened rather later than you suggest.
How does the theological development of early Christianity hold the key to
the Synoptic problem? It's very simple. I believe the first gospel was
fully Jewish in spirit. The general movement, as reflected in the
canonicals, is from a Jewish-Christian doctrine to the Gentile-Christian
doctrine, and this movement, when properly understood, will clarify the
solution to the Synoptic problem.
Yuri Kuchinsky | Toronto | http://www.trends.ca/~yuku/bbl/bbl.htm
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