George asked "what am I missing?"
In my opinion, people who live more stoically than others do not cease to
undertake activities essential for personal growth that risk personal pain.
In fact. I think their sphere of activity and "comfort zone" is massively
expanded - precisely because they cease to fear that which others fear -
loss of status, loss of income, loss of reputation, access to resources,
I would suggest that most people are held back from living flourishing lives
precisely because they are risk averse resulting from their numerous
attachments and dependencies to things which should actually be preferred or
I don't see stoics as avoiding things out of fear of consequencies. They
actually have fewer fears of consequencies than others - because what others
woudl regard as a bad outcome, the stoic laughs at - knowing it is of no
If you wish to argue for the maintainance of your fears and your
vulnerablility to loss, because you think it makes you "more human" - be my
From: George Jones <georgesjones42@...
Date: 31 December 2001 08:04
Subject: [stoics] Weakness (again)
>More naive questions about "The Handbook".
>I sometimes feel that trying to be concerned only with things of Epictetus'
>first class makes me less of a person - that is, trying to avoid all
>discomfort and pain leads to living only half a life. It feels like being
>risk averse, as one finds conflict so difficult to bear. Neitzche's idea -
>that we grow as people through facing the pain of conflict and continuing
>strive for the things we want - seem as convincing as Epictetus's insight
>that worldly goods are empty and worthless.
>What am I missing?
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