9 Forbes Road
Woburn, MA 01801
I still haven't received a response from you when I sent this message almost
2 weeks ago.
I had hoped that you and Solectria could give me some idea of a direction to
Please re-read the comments below and respond.
If we can bypass the bad cells and still have an operable EV then I may want
to do that and sell the EV right out of your location.
816-582-6891 mobile anytime
From: Don Buckshot [mailto:buckshot@...
Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:07 AM
To: Kevin Doherty
Cc: Mike Chancey; James Worden
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Kevin - Status report]
I've not had any luck or co-operation from Ovonics. They will of course sell
me a new pack of batteries for $17,000 (at a loss they say). You can be sure
we will never buy another Ovonics product.
So, I must ask you about the other batteries (lead acid or GP) that can be
put into this car without chopping it up to install new battery boxes.
You had mentioned early in our conversations that there are replacement bats
that would work. I think the NiCAD would require a watering system. I prefer
not, but ...
What can I do to replace these NiMH? Please give me some alternatives and a
guess at the cost. Would Solectria want to take my NiMH batteries in trade?
Surely others have the same problem without a source for replacement of a
bad NiMH battery. That way you could provide some help to the others.
Another approach: How about by-passing the bad cells as we also discussed?
The message below from James Worden, would indicate that would be a possible
short term solution. What voltage and range would that leave me?
9 Forbes Road
Woburn, MA 01801
All I really must have in range is 30 to 40 miles per charge so my wife can
drive it to work which is a 22 mile round trip.
Its time to resolve this and get my car back on the road, that is unless
Solectria would like to buy it!
from James Worden:
Sorry to hear about you frustration with the very expensive NiMH battery
pack in your Force. The initial lure of these
batteries for us was that they would drive a Force up to 100 miles and last
100,000 miles. When new, the milage is
possible, in fact we set records of double this but unfortunately life has
fallen far short of the expectations.
We have seen 50,000 miles at the most, and that is at a reduced capacity of
50Ah. Some packs have lasted only
25-30,000 miles before reaching 50Ah capacity. We feel especially bad about
pushing this battery given the outcome,
but Ovonics only provided it with a small warranty anyway so I suppose for
us and especially the customer it was a
risk. As it turned out, we lost quite a bit of money on Ovonics NiMH
vehicles in past years. Newer Ovonics batteries are
said to be better, and GP batteries have given far better results as well,
but still not coming close to lead acid
You should do OK bypassing cells,
but always make sure charger profile is adequately adjusted to compensate.
Wish you the best of luck, and may your Force be with you.
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2002 19:54:17 -0600
From: "Don Buckshot"
Subject: RE: Fried Charger
Well sounds like an epidemic going
around. My NiMH Force 4 door has been
having controller "drop out" problems
since I bought it about a year
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Doherty [mailto:doherty@...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: buckshot@...
> Cc: Christine Russell
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Kevin - Status report]
> Hello Don:
> This is what has happened so far.
> On September 30th I called and spoke to Nick Karditsas at Ovonics. He is
> Solectria's contact. I spoke to nick and he told me there was not much
> they could do for us. He said that he would look around and see if maybe
> they had any older batteries around. I haven't heard from him since. He
> asked me to send him an email with pictures of the batteries. I will
> forward that email to you.
> >From the conversation we had it sounds like there isn't much he was
> going to be able to do. You might want to try and give him a call and
> plead your case. It sounded to me that he could do something if it was
> for the right reasons. They are currently trying to sell us more
> batteries so there are also business politics at work here as well. His
> name is Nick Karditsas his phone is 248-273-7811. I will try to call him
> again as well.
> Christine Russell wrote:
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Kevin - Status report
> > Date: Tue, 8 Oct 2002 23:27:39 -0500
> > From: "Don Buckshot" <buckshot@...>
> > To: <customerservice@...>
> > Kevin,
> > What is the status of your contacting Ovonics about my batteries?
> > Seems to me that Solectria might have some around maybe?
> > I really need to get my transportation back.
> > Can you give me an estimate of what you will do and when?
> > Don Buckshot
> > Kansas City
> > 816-582-6891