... Yes, that s because it s not true. The period of structural adjustment since the 80s has led to continual declines in standards of living in the poor,Message 1 of 4 , May 31, 2000View Source
>1. Chomsky either doesn't distinguish between state capitalismYes, that's because it's not true. The period
>and a free market, or else he does it very badly.
>2. Chomsky doesn't mention, either because he doesn't
>understand or because he is uncomfortable admitting it, that
>more free trade has helped raise standards of living in the
>Third World, especially for the poorest of the poor.
of structural adjustment since the '80s has led to
continual declines in standards of living in the poor,
lower rates of education and access to health care, in
almost all of the countries most affected, in comparison
with say the 1970s. The only main exceptions were the
East Asian countries which did not adopt free market
models but instead opted for state-directed protectionist
policies and export-oriented industrial development,
usually combined with strict capital controls. I'm not
saying rah rah protectionism, but I am sick and tired
of seeing lies repeated to justify brutality. I've seen
the effect of these "free trade" "free market" policies
with my own eyes and I work with people who have to see
it every day, in dozens of different countries, and if
someone else prefers to go only to sources which will cook
the books to tell him what he wishes to be true, that's
hardly my problem.
>3. Chomsky doesn't seem to understand the positions of hisChomsky is a person who spends just about every
>opponents, much less have any compassion for them. In
>everything I've read by him, he comes across as the cliche'd
>arrogant ivory-tower intellectual, cold and unfeeling.
waking hour campaigning for human rights and justice as
he understands them - yes, he's dedicated his entire life
to the cause of human liberation and that's because he's
cold and unfeeling.
>4. This may be one reason why, for over 30 years as one of theBoy talk about projection...
>leading figures of the intellectual left, his influence has always been
>marginal at best. I don't have much sympathy for Chomsky
>personally, nor for his ideology, so this actually doesn't bother me,
>but in order to be honorable I am willing to offer honest advice even
>to those I disagree with (while hoping that they will refuse the offer,
>so I can wash my hands of them without feeling guilty).
Dan, why on earth do you want to waste my time
with this? I don't appreciate it. If you want to put up
a discussion list and then place people who utterly disagree
with the premises or even version of reality of those
to whom the group is mainly directed, this is what's going
to happen. Me, I want off.
... and ... David, I started this list to create an alternative source for the things I post on the Usenet groups. I didn t intend it to be a discussion list,Message 1 of 4 , Jun 1, 2000View SourceDavid Graeber wrote:
> Dan, why on earth do you want to waste my timeand
> with this? I don't appreciate it. If you want to put up
> a discussion list and then place people who utterly disagree
> with the premises or even version of reality of those
> to whom the group is mainly directed, this is what's going
> to happen. Me, I want off.
> Now if I have to deal with the same tediousDavid, I started this list to create an alternative source for the
> free-market ideology here as on the net I'm going to
> have to ask Dan to take me off the list. This shit is
> tiresome and I have _much_ better things to do with
> my day. Mr. Fast is obviously a nice guy personally,
> but for whatever psychological reasons he seems to have
> decided to become an apologist for brutality - mainly,
> it would seem, because of a wishful-thinking desire not
> to have to face up to the ugliness of what really goes on
> in the world. Whatever the reason, I don't want to know.
> I am tired of debating with such people. Could this
> please be the last?
things I post on the Usenet groups. I didn't intend it to be a
discussion list, though I did approve the first few responses (I have to
approve all messages for them to be sent). For now I'll ask that
everyone limit responses to factual issues and things of that sort
(David's response to the Anarkids post is I think I fairly good
example). I don't think egroups.com provides a way to set up a separate
list for discussion, which would be the ideal option. So for now,
everyone please try to keep responses limited. Some of John Fast's
responses might have better gone to me by direct e-mail.
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