... An alternative view: From the Scrum Guide written by Ken and Jeff(emphasis is mine): This Guide contains the *definition* of Scrum. As per usual, IMessage 1 of 107 , Apr 11View Source> Scrum is not a thing that can be defined, only described, so that they are both descriptions.
An alternative view:From the Scrum Guide written by Ken and Jeff(emphasis is mine): "This Guide contains the *definition* of Scrum."As per usual, I highly respect Ron's opinions on these matters.I want to say that I also applaud Ron and the Scrum Alliance's efforts to make it such that there is as little "daylight"(difference) between the two descriptions(or definitions, or whatever they are). My sense is that "forking" Scrum would be really bad for all of us.-------
From: Ron Jeffries <ronjeffries@...>
Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [scrumdevelopment] CONCERN: over continuing Schisming/Fragmentation of Scrum & Agile
Hi Kurt,On Apr 10, 2013, at 11:56 AM, Kurt Häusler <kurt.haeusler@...> wrote:
Well if you care, I was referencing this discussion thread here:
I don't know if you have to be a member of the xing-group or not to
see it. The first post is in English, but the followups are in German
(Xing seems dominated by German speakers). The OP actually mentions
that the post is in English specifically because it was originally an
expression of concern communicated to the scrum alliance via the
contact form at agileatlas.org.The thread is not useful to me, being in German :)The original concerns do not seem particularly significant to me. For example, the "flexibility" remark in the Guide is explanatory, not definitional. And I think our text communicates the same notion of leaving room in what's to be done. I could be wrong, of course.I do not recall receiving any mail from that individual via the contact form or otherwise, but again I could be wrong.My answer to the question of whether Scrum Guide or Core should be taken as definitional is that, first, there is no intended contradiction between the two, and second, that Scrum is not a thing that can be defined, only described, so that they are both descriptions.If they did differ in some substantive way … which I believe they do not … I'd probably lean toward Scrum Guide over the one I wrote.
Thanks a lot, George. Rgds-AN From: George Dinwiddie Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2013 8:55 PM To: email@example.com Subject: Re:Message 107 of 107 , Apr 21View SourceThanks a lot, George.Rgds-AN
On 4/20/13 10:16 AM, A Narasimhan wrote:
> Recently there was a mail on Agile Scaling by Ron Jeffries which went
> like this:
> ‘Collaboration works in a team but not so much in a building...’ etc.
> There were several points covered in that mail on scaling. I somehow
> deleted that mail.
> Can someone re-send the mail please...You could also send it to my
> personal mail
> mailto:an.narasimhan%40yahoo.co.in <mailto:mailto:an.narasimhan%40yahoo.co.in>
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